Season 7, Episode 18
David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I hope you're having an amazing day, and maybe after you see this episode, it's going to become even more amazing. I'm here with Corey Goode, and we have a special guest today, Mark McCandlish, one of the original thirty-nine whistleblowers who came forward at the Disclosure Project event on May 9, 2001, at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. to disclose the reality of the extraterrestrial presence on Earth.
|So, Corey, welcome to the show.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: All right. We're going to start now with an intro and overview of Mark, in his own words, from his background. Let's take a look.
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Mark McCandlish: My electronics aptitude was so high right out of high school that the Air Force was really enthusiastic about getting me to work on something like a weapons control system on aircraft. So that's where I wound up going.
After I got out of the Air Force, I used the GI Bill to go to Brigham Young University, studying design illustration. And then I went to Art Center College of Design as an automotive design major and eventually changed my major to just straight illustration when I began to see that the bottom was about to fall out of the automotive industry, and they weren't going to be hiring any designers in the late '70s, early '80s.
And that's when I went to work for the defense industry.
I had been approached by the Calabasas Division of Lockheed, and I think this was right at or right before the time that Lockheed joined with Martin Marietta and became Lockheed Martin.
And the gentleman that had asked me to prepare this illustration said that, “We can't tell you what it looks like. We can't tell you anything about the aircraft, only that it's the second generation in an existing family of extremely high speed, high altitude aircraft.
And so we need you to draw a picture of something that looks really fast.
So I looked around, and the two fastest aircraft that I was aware of at the time was, of course, the SR-71 Blackbird, which is Mach 3 , and then the prototype XB-70 Valkyrie that was built by Rockwell International's North American Aircraft Division.
So I combined features from those two aircraft, and I thought, this is a really cool-looking aircraft.
And I went in, and much to my surprise, they had a couple of engineers from Lockheed Skunk Works there.
And it was an order gentleman with glasses, a receding hairline. And they were actually wearing little white lab coats with the pocket protector and the slide rule and this kind of thing.
And so I opened up my sketchpad, and I turned around, and I slid it across this big, beautiful, mahogany table in this conference room.
And right away, I could see that something was wrong. The gentleman both took on an appearance of being kind of startled, like they were seeing something they weren't expecting.
And then one of the two gentlemen – the man with the glasses, the receding hairline – you could literally see his face turn red. You could see beads of sweat starting to form on his forehead and his lip. And his hands started to tremble.
And he slams his hand down on the notepad, and he says, “What are these canards, and what are these winglets out on the wings? Those would be torn off at Mach 17 . . .” And he stopped himself right there as he said “Mach 17”.
And I thought, “That's 12,000 miles an hour [19,300 kph]!”
And they were both upset. And they were upset in a way that, at first, I thought it was because I didn't do a good job, because the illustration didn't look credible.
And then I thought, “No, this is something else.” They're reacting because I've hit something. I've hit the nail right on the head with this illustration, and they may perceive that what I've done here is because of some kind of a leak – some kind of an information leak.
And so the first thing I did was I tried to assure them by saying, “Well, look, I'll be happy to illustrate whatever you want, but the fact is, I just don't know what your aircraft looks like because nobody's told me. They said they can't tell me. The design is classified. So what I've done here is I've combined most of the most interesting features from these two aircraft – the two fastest aircraft that I know of – the SR-71 and the XB-70.”
And so then they kind of calmed down a little bit and relaxed. But at that point, the cat was already out of the bag. They'd said “Mach 17”.
It really pointed out to me that there were some programs that were going on. And, of course, you always assume that there's something classified going on all the time behind the scenes.
But as far as aircraft design was concerned, it really helped to illustrate that there were things going on – advanced projects – that were really pushing the envelope in terms of material use, high speed, high altitude and propulsion systems that had never been seen before – these supersonic combustion ramjet or scramjet engines.
And so it was an eye-opener. That's for sure. It let me know that there were other things out there that the general public didn't know about.
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David: Okay. So what you see there is very interesting. Here's a guy who's describing having a direct one-on-one meeting with insiders from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.
And they told him that canards and winglets on the plane would fall off at Mach 17. So clearly, he had access to the real deal.
Corey, what were your thoughts as you watched this clip?
Corey: It was pretty interesting. I had seen information about these early planes that they were developing, and they were very, extremely aerodynamic.
But when he was talking, for some reason – it popped in my mind – I remember a type of engineered crystal that they were using that they would put on the outside of these craft that . . . You know, like piezoelectric crystals. If you hit them, they'll give off an electrical charge?
David: Yeah, sure.
Corey: These convert friction heat into electric charges.
David: Oh, that makes sense.
Corey: And then the skin of the plane would have this crystalline material painted over it. And then the heat would be turned into electricity. The electricity would transfer through the skin of the plane into something that would quickly store the electricity. So it would be kind of like a heat sink.
It would be pulling electricity very quickly, and heat couldn't build up.
David: Well, let me just mention that there are known things called photo cells, which we already have in electronics, where they can sense a light source and actually convert that light to electricity.
So this idea of basically what you're describing as a thermal couple on the outside of the plane, that's totally plausible within electronics that that could work. I just never thought of it before. It's fascinating.
Corey: Right. I'd forgotten about it, too. It just popped in my head when I was watching that clip.
David: So Mach 17, . . . of course, some of the people watching this may not be aware that conventional aeronautics . . . even Mach 4, Mach 5, is considered extraordinary.
What are the speeds that you encountered with some of the craft that are in the classified world that he got a little taste of here?
Corey: Well, yeah, there was a lot of talk of craft that were being developed between Mach 9 and Mach 20 . . .
Corey: . . . that were being developed that were mostly for flying in the atmosphere – test craft to get to a point where they could develop craft that could fly in and out of the atmosphere.
David: So is it normal for somebody like Mark McCandlish to have this background of industrial design – he said that he majored, at first, in drawing automobiles and getting really nice technical illustrations of them, and then in his case, going into the defense industry – that a guy with those skills could end up potentially in some kind of classified program?
Corey: Absolutely. They need people of all skill sets. You're going to run across a lot of draftsmen, artists, that worked for the government that have a lot of knowledge like he does.
David: Now, another thing that is interesting to me was he mentions Brigham Young University. And Pete, tongue-in-cheek, called that whole area – Utah, Idaho, etc. - “Mormania”. And it was originally a joke, but apparently, on the inside, they now actually use that term – that what I've heard from him – and I want to get your thoughts on this – is that many people who worked for the CIA and other intelligence agencies are recruited from Mormon states in America, that there is a Mormon component to the black ops world.
So I'm curious if you ever heard anything about that?
Corey: Yes. I read on the smart glass pad about how different Mormon groups were creating vaults underground and were reporting back to the intelligence agencies that they were encountering beings when they were trying to build their facilities underground.
David: Beings that were not human?
David: When we see a guy like McCandlish coming out and talking about this, what do you think he had to gain from this? In other words, I don't see any evidence. I don't think he's ever written a book.
He kind of went off the radar after Disclosure Project in 2001. Now here it is, 16 years later, he pops up again.
So do you think that there's any self-interest or manipulation going on here? What's his objective?
Corey: One of the things you see quite often with whistleblowers is that in the process of being a whistleblower, they end up losing their careers. And he pretty much lost his career within all of the defense industry and basically was in hiding for a while from what I hear.
David: All right. We're going to now continue with some more footage for you to check out. This is the second part of our groundbreaking interview with Mark McCandlish. Let's check it out.
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Mark McCandlish: Well, this is a story that came to me through another aviation artist that . . . One of my contemporaries met this fellow and a friend of his at an air show at the old Chino Air Base where they brought a lot of the aircraft after the Second World War to be demolished and scrapped for their aluminum and so forth.
And he was saying that this fellow had a friend who was a former astronaut – it was one of the Buzz astronauts, Buzz Aldrin or Buzz Carpenter – one of these gentlemen.
And this individual was flying a Learjet, ferrying it from one location to another, and he was passing over North Central Nevada at the time – broken clouds and this kind of thing.
And he comes out of some clouds and into an open air space, and below him and to the left is this black aircraft that looks sort of like a flattened-out football shape.
And on the back end of it, it has not only a vertical stabilizer or a tail on the top, but there was another one down below.
A lot of people don't know that the early A-12 version of the SR-71 Blackbird also had the same feature. It had a folding vertical stabilizer on the ventral surface on the underside of the aircraft.
But this aircraft had an unusual inlet design. It wasn't the typical thing where you have a big hole hanging down underneath the wing where the air for the engine comes in.
This thing had, what looked like, a pair of these triangular-shaped NACA ducts near the leading edge of this.
There were no wings, no tail feathers – nothing. It was just sort of a lifting body design, like a flattened-out football shape.
Control surfaces along the leading edges and on the trailing edges, but the inlets were a pair of NACA ducts.
And then at the back end were a pair of trapezoid-shaped exhaust ports. But then at the midsection, the widest part of this platform, was a ridge. And along the trailing edge of the ridge were what appeared to be a number of fuel injectors pointing outward where it was obvious at some point in the flight regime of the aircraft, there would be something expelled from those ports.
And it was actually operating kind of like the whole back end of the aircraft was a linear aerospike engine, which has that kind of a configuration.
The pilot is there, and he looks at this plane and realizes that if he hadn't seen it directly that he might have collided with it in the clouds.
And so he gets ahold of the ground control operator for that region, and he says, “Why didn't you inform me that there was another aircraft in my vicinity?”
And he said, “Well . . . “ The response was, “. . . because there isn't any. We don't have anything on radar at all.”
And he says, “Well, the hell there isn't.” He says, “I'm looking at a plane right now. It's black. It has the two tails.” He described what he was seeing, “I'm in his 5 o'clock position.”
And there's a long silence on the radio.
And then all of a sudden, he can see in the window, the cockpit – it's kind of like the X-15 cockpit where it's mostly aircraft with just a little tiny window and a splitter in the front. And he sees the face of the pilot look around at him like this, and like, “Oh, crap!”, and banks away and goes into one of the clouds and disappears.
So a little while later, there's another voice that comes onto the radio – a deeper voice, a more serious voice, and he says, “Okay, pilot zone, so you need to change your heading and come in to Nellis Air Force Base, and we need you to land there and be debriefed. And I want you to roll out and stay at the end of the runway. You will be met at the end of the runway.”
And so then they take him in, and they put him through interrogation and make it real clear that what he saw was something that doesn't officially exist, and he's not to talk about it.
But eventually, apparently, he did tell someone, including this colleague of mine who shared the story with me.
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David: The first thing I thought of when he said a 'squashed football' was your description of the Dark Fleet craft which you said have a dark teardrop-type of shape.
David: But based on the illustration that McCandlish made here, is that what we're looking at, or is this something else?
Corey: I knew immediately, the way he was describing the craft with the two fins, the two stabilizers, that it was a test craft from the military. I've read before about these vertical stabilizers, that are on the top and bottom, that, at a certain stage in flight, the bottom one drops to give them further stabilization.
David: Well, he had the location right, because he said this witness saw this over Nevada.
David: So there you go. That's your Area 51.
Corey: Right. That's a good place to see test craft.
I've received quite a few emails from pilots, that don't want to go public because of their jobs, that have described seeing very similar things.
David: One of the insiders that I have had contact with – I met through Pete Peterson – he claims to have been able to build eight different types of anti-gravity device. And he worked on aerospace design.
He has described that a lot of times these planes were built, and then they were mothballed. And he believed that the purpose was money laundering – that the plane was said to cost much more than it really did. It justifies these budgets.
The actual money spent on it might be much less, and then the less of the money goes to some other thing. Have you heard of that, and if so, where's the money going?
Corey: Yes. A lot of these contracting companies are . . . I mean, everyone's heard about $200 hammers, $300 toilet seats . . .
Corey: . . . that kind of thing. That occurs all the time to bring in extra money for black budgets. So that's fairly common.
David: What might some of those black budgets be? I mean, wouldn't this plane be the goal . . .
David: . . . or would it be something else?
Corey: Something like this probably came from a budget from a craft or something they were building that was known. And then they overcharged for that craft . . .
Corey: . . . and funneled that money into a craft like this. And a lot of times they'll build these craft. They'll put millions of dollars into building a craft like this just to prove a certain concept for future craft that they'll fly around a few times, and then they mothball them or take them apart.
David: Right. So given the design and the shape of this particular craft, what type of usefulness to you think it might have?
Corey: I think they were trying to increase stabilized flight past Mach 3 to 5, most likely.
David: It doesn't really look like it would capture air like a wing. Do you think there's some sort of anti-gravity component to how this works?
Corey: No. This is a conventional jet. It's just really advanced technology. It's kind of like what he was talking about – sort of like a ramjet. It brings in the air at the wings and expels the gases and air out the back to propel it.
David: All right. Next, we have another very interesting and strange story from Mark McCandlish, which I'm sure you're going to like. Let's check it out.
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Mark McCandlish: There was a gentleman, and I don't remember where he was located, but he had a custom of jogging early in the morning with his dog. And one of the challenges that he made for himself was he would jog on this path that would go up to the top of this hill near the town where they had the city water supply. It was a big tower.
And it was a heavily wooded area with a clearing around the tower itself.
And as they're jogging up the hill, he comes out into the clearing where the tower is, and here is this aircraft. And it looks like a conventional jet aircraft standing on its tail, and it's orbiting this water tower silently.
No jet engine noise, no dust being kicked up or anything, and the pilot is just sort of playing.
And he's just standing there with his mouth hanging open, and his dog is barking and really going crazy.
And while the pilot's doing this, he kind of looks over his shoulder, and he sees the jogger there. “Oh, no!”
So he lights up the after burner, and off he goes using conventional power.
So it just pointed out that there must be some other things that they're incorporating and folding into some of the . . . maybe even the standard issue aircraft that are giving them abilities that are not completely obvious when looking at them from the outside.
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David: This is one of those stories that seems to stretch the credulity a little bit. What is your feeling about the idea that conventional aircraft might have some sort of anti-gravity that would allow them to do those types of tricks?
Corey: Well, it's definitely not something that would be standard issue on one of the fleets right now out to sea.
Corey: But they have retrofitted conventional-looking craft with anti-gravity for specific reasons to be used, I guess, for special missions. It's not something that a lot of the different lieutenant commanders out there in the Navy that fly jets . . . they're not going to have this or know about this type of technology being incorporated into conventional craft. But it is something I've heard of. I haven't seen it with my own eyes.
David: I've also had Peterson tell me that military aircraft are all now – or at least many of them – are equipped with a technology that he called 'masking'. Are you familiar with that and what that's all about?
Corey: Yeah, masking is a common term. It just means 'camouflage'. It's an electronic camouflage.
David: So would a masked craft still be visible once the masking is turned on?
Corey: No. No.
Corey: That's the whole point of it. It pretty much . . . You're seeing what's behind the craft.
David: So what would the usefulness be of a pilot able to back the tail of a plane down and then turn circles around a tower like that?
Corey: That's not really the point. The point is to be able to loiter and hover to engage targets like a helicopter would and then having the supersonic flight capabilities as well.
It's one of the reasons also they developed the Harrier.
Corey: Then you have the vertical takeoff and landing capabilities as well.
David: Now do you think it's possible, given that he seemed to have been turning circles around a tower, that the anti-gravity, in some way, was able to partially attach to the mass of the tower and use it as a center of balance or a pivot point for him?
Corey: No. Most likely what occurred is . . . They have a lot of this smart flight technology in drones now. And it's usually a camera that has intelligent computers connected to it.
The camera acts like an eye, focuses on like a tower, and then it will loiter and hover around a certain object.
David: Ah. So this could have all been done automatically. He was just having fun.
David: He doesn't have to do any fancy flying at all.
Corey: Yes. It looked like he took a little time out of a normal test flight to play around a little bit on his own.
David: All right. Now we're going to see a very interesting section of this interview where McCandlish is describing a UFO sighting that actually led to photographic evidence. Let's take a look.
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Mark McCandlish: It was a fellow that I knew – his name was Arthur Reed – who took this photograph in 1982. He was just exploring northern California by car.
He was driving somewhere about 10 miles north of Cedarville, and he saw a large group of people that had pulled off the road, and they were all sort of looking off to the west.
And so he, just out of curiosity, stopped to see what it was. And off in the distance was this immense, black thing – big, large, V-shaped vehicle.
And the shape of it was what kind of gave it away as the possible product of Lockheed Skunk Works, because it had the same sort of faceted flat surfaces like a Stealth Fire.
The craft looked an awful lot like a large black V, and in the middle of each of those two wings, or legs, or whatever you want to call them, which were really thick and not aerodynamic in any way, shape or form, but there was a large white sphere.
And then there was one up in the very front where they kind of came together. And there were seams on the surface of the thing that looked like the different parts of the vehicle could be articulated and folded up into almost a triangular shape.
There were a series of red lights that went from the nose back towards part of the fuselage where the wings joined together.
And the thing was in a nose down, bank to the left, and it was hovering in this position about maybe 250 feet off the ground.
And it was maybe a quarter of a mile to a half a mile off the roadway.
Very large. He said that he thought that this thing was somewhere between 300 and 600 feet on a side. It was that big.
He said that it was making this low, pulsating, humming sound, almost like something you'd see in a science fiction movie, sort of this [whirring sound] kind of sound. But he said it was so powerful, so loud, that you could feel it in your chest – that your chest would kind of vibrate and resonate with the sound.
And the people that were there that had pulled off the road represented kind of like a cross-section of what you'd find in America – the deeply religious people that are crying and on their knees, praying to God to deliver them from this chariot of the devil.
There were other people who were running towards it and waving and saying, “Take me for a ride”. And there were other people there hooting and hollering like they were watching a fireworks show on the 4th of July.
In the photograph, in the foreground, you can see people standing in the bed of their truck, and you're seeing them all from the back, so you can't tell exactly what they're doing. But a lot of them, their arms are like this [up in front of his eyes], like they're watching it through field glasses.
There are other people just sort of standing around, just taking it all in, watching everything.
But he said that this thing sat there for the better part of a half an hour, and that's why there were so many people that had pulled off and were watching.
And apparently, there was some kind of a flight control issue with this thing, and it had initiated a bank, and then they couldn't pull out of this dive, so they just stopped. And it was hovered in this banked, nose-down position.
And so apparently, whoever was working on this thing was not able to repair that particular problem. And so the way they resolved it was this thing continued in its bank. I have to turn my hand the other way to do it right, but imagine that this [his hand is now face up and he's pointing to his palm] is the upper surface like this.
So the thing flips end over end like this [the top rising up and back], but at the same time, it continues the roll. So it goes like this [it first rolled to the right and then the nose twisted up and back], and it's pointed up and away from the crowd.
It starts to climb out slowly, getting louder and louder, and then it gets to about 5,000 feet and [hands slap together] gone just like that, out into space.
But he said he went back about a week later, and he parked his car in the same spot. And he was walking out to see if maybe there was any evidence on the ground that this thing had been there. Maybe something got dropped off of it, or maybe there was crop circle-type evidence – that kind of thing.
This Air Force truck comes rolling up – the dark blue with the yellow stencil on the side - “United States Air Force”. And a couple of military cops tell him he needs to get out of there and leave immediately, or they're going to arrest him, and they're going to impound his car. So he leaves.
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David: Well, isn't it cool to have some really good illustrations – a guy that can back up his story with visuals like this?
Corey: And a photo – an actual photo.
David: Yeah. That's a very interesting and bizarre-looking craft. Let's just start by getting your thoughts as to, have you seen anything like that? What do you think its purpose might be? Is it just experimental? Was it actually used in operations, etc.?
Corey: I saw a lot of experimental craft, and a lot of them did say “Lockheed” on them, and they were faceted. And some of them were . . . I don't know how to . . . You could manipulate or articulate different areas of the craft. So this sounds to me like it might have been one of their test craft, a concept craft.
David: So when you say 'manipulate' or 'articulate', you mean the craft can move . . .
Corey: Change configurations.
David: Shapeshift, basically.
David: What would be the value of something like that?
Corey: Well, if you have three different points that are being used, I guess, as like impulse-type engines – electrogravitic engines – usually, they have them on a type of a gimbal that you can manipulate them, turn them this way, and then pull you in that direction.
So that's going to be kind of the same concept. And most of these that I read about were remotely controlled – the test craft. They didn't necessarily have pilots.
David: Well, I'm thinking about the old James Bond movie where he's got the car, and he drives it into the water, and then things all start shifting. And now that it's in water, it's got fins instead of tires.
David: Or it becomes a jet, and it flies, and wings come out. Is it possible that the shapeshifting has something to do with where it's traveling, like if it's in atmosphere or in space or something like that?
Corey: I would think it mostly has to do with controlling the attitude and pitch and yaw of the plane.
David: Just the actual manipulation.
David: Is it normal for people to be able to see one of these, or was this some kind of an accident that took place?
Corey: I think he described what most likely happened very well.
Corey: There was some sort of computer glitch, or they weren't able to communicate with the craft, and it went into a loiter position. It was most likely programmed to go into a loiter position if there was an issue.
David: Now, earlier in this same episode, he was talking about how craft that are going to travel at Mach 17, that he couldn't have these canards and winglets on the craft because they would get torn off.
The thing that strikes me is, you're talking about a craft that has moving parts – a craft that has all these facets on it. It's got an unusual shape.
Wouldn't that type of a structure stress out under very high velocity and not be a good choice for a high speed aircraft?
Corey: No. Most . . . A lot of them are faceted – the craft that are supersonic.
Corey: That's actually a part of the design. It's not only for deflecting radar, but they design them to be highly aerodynamic.
And I didn't see anything that would cause a whole lot of drag on that craft.
David: But the joints . . . In order to have the joints be strong enough that things could move and then hold up under that velocity . . .
Corey: Most likely it moves into a different configuration.
David: Oh, for high speed?
Corey: For high speed. Right.
David: That, I can understand. So maybe the two Y-like sides of it would pull together.
Corey: Come together. Right. Right.
David: You mentioned before that the ICC – the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate – within the greater space program you were part of, was manufacturing and selling technology to over 900 extraterrestrial groups – 900 being the ones they were in regular contact with.
Would the ICC be testing anything on Earth, or would this be some other group besides them?
Corey: Well, the ICC controls a lot of these military-industrial-complex-type firms that contract this stuff. So they're going to be overseeing it anyway and pulling in technology that they see that can be incorporated into higher technology craft.
There's most likely an Area 51-type of Lockheed-Martin joint effort.
David: How might you use a craft like this? What would be it's purpose? Is it an attack weapon?
Corey: Yeah. It probably has different weapons-platform packages you can put on it for reconnaissance and also weapons platform to make it a weapons platform. But most likely, that was a concept for another craft that . . . They'll build three or four different concept craft to finally come up with one final version.
So that could have just been part of a process of creating another craft.
David: Well, that's all the time we have for in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm here with Corey Goode, and we are watching the very surprising testimony of one of the original Disclosure Project 39 whistleblowers, none other than Mark McCandlish. We'll see you next time.