Season 8, Episode 12
Pete Peterson: Thank you.
David: We have a new series on Gaia called “Unearthing Nazca”. And we're discussing some really fascinating things having to do with the Nazca Plateau.
And I'm curious. In all of your experience in the insider world, did anybody ever try to study the Nazca Lines and those weird geological features in that area, and if so, what did they find? What was their conclusion?
Pete: Well, there are a number of things there.
We talk about the Nazca Lines. I was there specifically to look at some Nazca tunnels.
Pete: And they're flat-bottomed, rounded on the top, kind of like a baked loaf of bread.
And they were made by, obviously, by some type of energy machine, like a laser machine, or something that was producing very high heat.
David: Are you saying these were underneath the area where . . .
Pete: They're underneath . . .
David: . . . Nazca Lines are?
Pete: .. . the area, and they go for miles and miles, and miles, and miles.
Pete: And they're underneath that. I think they're much newer, much more modern than the lines.
Pete: And I didn't get a chance to study the lines much, but we did spend a lot of time up in hot-air balloons looking down to see if we could see the results, or some things that happened when they built the tunnels that might have been visible from [on] the surface.
David: How many entrances to the tunnels were there from the surface that you knew about?
Pete: Oh, that I knew of? Maybe, I don't know, 6 or 8 or 10, but there are supposedly maybe 60, 75, something like that.
David: And how high was the ceiling inside these tunnels?
Pete: The ones I was in . . . it was probably 30, 35 feet, 37 feet . . .
David: Wow! That's big.
Pete: . . . in some cases I know. Yeah, they were huge.
David: How far beneath the surface of the ground were they?
Pete: The greater part of them were probably over 150 feet.
David: Really? And where did these tunnels go? Did you ever find out that?
Pete: Well, there were places where the tunnels would spread out. Or they'd spread out, and then go the same direction, and just getting a larger space that wouldn't collapse.
David: So some of the tunnels would join into larger rooms?
Pete: They joined into larger rooms, or they joined into parallel tunnels.
David: Did you see any artifacts in these tunnels?
Pete: Oh, yes.
David: Oh, really? What kind of artifacts?
Pete: Yeah. Well, no. We saw . . . I'm thinking you're thinking artifacts – the small objects. We saw a lot of shelves.
Pete: It looked like equipment was probably like generators, big generators – just a supposition from my view from, say, in the '60s – 1960s.
David: Hm. Were the shelves carved out of rock like . . .
Pete: Yes, everything was . . .
David: … the tunnels?
Pete: . . . carved out of rock.
David: Okay. So, were they inset into a rock wall, like a shelf carved . . .
Pete: Yes, inset to a rock wall, or adjacent to the tunnel wall. Some were set up. And it looked . . . and those tunnels would go down at a slope.
It was like they were meant to be filled with water to maybe block off things.
David: Hm. So if there was evidence of this being drilled out, did you ever find any of the tailings from the drilling?
Pete: Never . . . And we'd looked when we were up in the air. And we looked and never saw where any tailings might have been. And it was always a mystery to me.
David: I'm curious if you ever saw a sarcophagus, or any type of statuary, or sculpted objects inside these tunnels. I mean, we mentioned the shelving.
Pete: The tunnels have, obviously, had those kind of things, because there were little small niches in the wall. Things like that.
Now, some of those . . . you could tell, because of the soot collection, or for torches of some kind.
Pete: But a lot of them were arranged like you'd see in a modern home – an arrangement of shadow boxes or things like that that went on the wall. Those tunnels had been cleaned.
Pete: I mean, it was obvious the stuff was there. There were places made for it. There were. . . It'd be like the furniture in a modern apartment today. You have end tables, and you have display tables and things like that, but they had niches there.
They didn't have to move things in. They had plenty of material to make them – just hollow out the wall or whatever, then coat it with this . . . it was like a fiberglass mat, but the mat was not woven like our typical fiberglass mats would be. But it was . . . They were glued together.
Pete: They'd go through and heat it, make it, let it cool, and then right at the last end, they'd come back and hit it, like with a real high flame, I would say, from the outside, and melt just a little bit of the outside to give it a smoother texture.
David: So how often would you see places in these tunnels that looked like people could be living in there as an apartment or something?
Pete: Oh, all along the tunnels.
David: Oh, really?
Pete: Yeah. Sometimes you might find 500 feet that didn't have it, or 300 feet, or where the tunnel was branching or transitioning.
David: Uh. So this was an underground city.
Pete: Oh, it was. Yes. And it went on for . . . I know we found pieces of the same tunnel for maybe as much as 1,500, 2,000 miles.
David: As far as you know, then, this probably could have housed at least many thousands of people, if not potentially hundreds of thousands.
Pete: At least many, many thousands along the way. There were places along the way, just like you'd have in a . . . Let's say we took off on Highway 70 across the United States. You know, every so often there's a little town, and once in a while, there's some type of 7-Eleven or something, and truck stops, and things like that.
And so there were places where, obviously, they were going high-speed from A to B. And that's the places you were asking before, like it wasn't continuous or whatever. And, no, it wasn't really continuous, but it was continual.
David: So you think they weren't just walking. They probably had some kind of motorized vehicle inside.
Pete: I would say from the floor, they had a motorized thing, but you could see on the floor that there were a lot of pathways. They led to a lot of things we discovered, because we could see that there was . . . the floor was actually worn, which means it was old, quite old, and had been worn by foot traffic or small cart traffic.
David: Did you ever find any pictorial or written inscriptions when you were in there?
Pete: There were some. And like I say, the place looked like they had . . . If you remember, pretty much . . . and when you were mentioning more north, they may have gone more north all the way from north of Mexico City, clear down to the end of Argentina . . .
Pete: . . . there were tunnels. There were people . . . for some reason lived underground.
Now, being as we have about a 28,000-year solar cycle that we're kind of going into one right now, because we now have a lot more solar flares than we've had in the past and a lot less of the ionospheric layers.
David: So you think these people were living underground to hide out from a solar event, some kind of solar flash?
Pete: Well, they were trying to hide out from something, and it could have been other extraterrestrial races.
Pete: You could tell there were defense areas. I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps, so I can look and say, “Okay, this area was meant to defend.”
David: Did you ever see any mummies down there? Any evidence of who . . .
David: . . . it was?
Pete: The place .. . It looked like they had literally vacuum-cleaned it.
Pete: And that was very strange, because you could tell that . . . But a lot of that stuff had been there. You could see these little niches and larger niches where something sat there. Something heavy sat there for a long time.
David: Well, you have seen the video from our “Unearthing Nazca” series.
David: And these bodies were found in that exact area of Nazca where you say that you entered these tunnels.
So I'm curious if you feel there is a connection between the tunnels that you saw and whatever these mummies might be.
Pete: Oh, absolutely.
David: Okay. Could you explain what the connection is?
Pete: Well, the connection is they're the ones that built it.
David: The underground tunnels, you think?
Pete: The underground tunnels.
Pete: The tunnels were built, and then they were modified over the years. I mean, you could see that there was different types of carving, cutting, or hollowing-out methods that were utilized.
It appeared that some of them were done by hand – the early ones were done by hand – then those were connected.
After those were built – they were like little cities, maybe – then they were connected.
And usually, with each one, there was some surface phenomena that would show that they'd come up out of the Earth and do surface phenomena like the lines at Nazca.
Pete: And at some instances, you could tell that these were meant to be seen from way far, somewhere in outer space and used for saying, “Well, this is where this is and so forth.”
David: Did you have any evidence that the actual lines of the Nazca Lines would correspond with where the tunnels were underground?
Pete: Oh, absolutely.
David: Oh, really?
Pete: No, you'd see where they came up out of the ground.
Pete: And then here are the lines.
David: Who do you think took all that stuff away?
Pete: No idea. I would think that people had put it there, because I think a lot of those things were religious statues. And, I mean, it's just a supposition that I have, but what else would they be? I mean, it wasn't like the de Gaulle Museum of modern art in Paris.
David: Did you have any evidence that it might have been the U.S. government that took all that stuff out, or could it have been like a . . . ?
Pete: I don't think the U.S. was involved. It was the people down there.
Pete: The U.S. wasn't even . . . We didn't have that kind of archaeology at the time.
David: Right – even in the classified world.
Pete: Yeah, not even in the classified world. I mean, we were too busy trying to eat . . . find some place to eat and hide from the wild animals.
Pete: Did you ever report your findings to the U.S. government of what you saw down there?
David: Very little.
David: Some, yes, of course.
Pete: Okay. And sometimes I was asked. I mean, they almost always knew where I was, or who I was with.
“What did you guys find?”
“Well, we found . . .”
“Oh, tell me about this. Tell me about this.”
But not at all to the extent that someone was ACTUALLY REALLY interested. I mean, I'd have been really interested. We don't have anything that'll do that. Even though we have the device that did the Chunnel, I think it was . . . If they think . . . they looked at these tunnels and tried to figure out how it was done.
David: It appears that the U.S. had tunneling machines, possibly as early as the 1960s, so, that could do even fairly decent speed.
Pete: Well, I saw a lot of these things work – different ones. And it wasn't until maybe the last 20 years that we had any that I know of that were high-speed.
David: Oh, okay.
Pete: We have some now, but part of the problem was . . . is, again, the expense of energy – the energy to melt that much rock.
We grind that out. A lot of it is grinded out and [we] haul it off. And then we melt the rock and coat the outside, or in this case the inside, with it to keep it from . . . little rocks from falling and water from dripping.
Pete: Things like that. There's always water underground.
David: Okay, let me ask you this: Some of what we're looking at with these mummies appears to be more of a Reptilian-type of being. And I'm curious. Since you've also been able to encounter extraterrestrials in your line of work for the government, did you ever see any beings that had three fingers? Let's just start with that, first of all.
David: Okay. And what would they look like? Could you give us a description?
Pete: They're very slender, long arms, long fingers, long legs, long body.
David: The ones that are in “Unearthing Nazca”, do you think those grew on Earth, or do you think . . .
Pete: Well, I'm sure they did over a period of time, but they didn't come from here.
Pete: There's no continuous record of evolution.
David: Let me ask you this. It's an interesting question.
M. K. Jesse is a Colorado radiologist that they brought in to look at the X-rays. And one of the weirdest anomalies that she pointed out, which seems to make it impossible that it could be a hoax, is that there are no cranial sutures in the skull.
It looks like the skull is all one big piece of bone with no fissures.
David: How do you think that's possible? How could a being grow like that?
Pete: It's simply genetics. The fact that ALL the beings that are common . . . now, it may be because they're close to us. They're in our Milky Way system, galaxy, as compared to off-galaxy.
Usually, the off-galaxy . . . In fact, in other areas of science, the ones that are from off-galaxy are REALLY DIFFERENT.
Pete: Yet, many of them have two eyes, two nostrils, two ears, two hearing things, two arms, two legs. And the fact that there are so many different ones spread all over, to me, is astounding. It says it's got to be . . . You know, they've got to have come from some . . . one basic form or function.
David: There's like a human blueprint, you're saying?
Pete: Well, yeah, okay.
Pete: We'll call it a human blueprint. There's a genetic blueprint that . . . it looks like it was pretty well followed.
Now, we may eventually find out in our anthropological and archaeological studies . . . we may find out that that form just worked best.
Pete: So the natural evolution of it was to go toward what we're seeing.
David: The mummy that we're calling “Maria”, in “Unearthing Nazca”, doesn't have any fatty tissue around the ears. And there's actually no ears at all.
This seems to indicate a more aerodynamic appearance and could possibly be a representation of it being an aquatic being, or a being that is traveling rapidly through the air. I'm curious as to your thoughts.
Pete: Well, I've seen pictures of, or examples of, many different races, if you would. We'll call them races. It's obvious that some came from aquatic things.
It's obvious to me that there are some that are like birds or like insects that did not come from underwater.
There are some that look like they came from underwater where they'll have webbing. They may have arms, but they'll have webbing. [Pete motions to a lower connection between the arm and the body.]
Pete: They were built to be in some thick mixture.
Pete: And there are planets that we know of that would support human life that have a very thick atmosphere.
Pete: I mean, they'd support human life in that the temperatures are there. The gravity is not too much or too little.
David: So you're saying that it doesn't necessarily have to be the Goldilocks principle, that a planet that has a lot of differences from us in its atmosphere, for example, that you could still have intelligent life on it.
Pete: Oh, absolutely. I think I've seen what I feel are . . . were intelligent life that are . . . don't have two eyes.
Pete: And then when you talk about the no fatty tissue in the ears of the statues you're looking at, that just tells me it's an advanced life form.
A lot of them . . . When remote viewers started visiting distant places, they found that as they got further and further away from what we call “Galactic Center”, they appeared to be much brighter, to the point that they lost the need to communicate with vocal cords, and ears, and communicated intramentally.
Pete: And so their ears . . . It had gone along that evolution had taken it to where it got rid of the ears and . . .
Pete: . . . got rid of the vocal chords. And you also find that those people are so far advanced in other ways that we have a heck of a time communicating with them because for them, it's like talking to a parking meter or an old fence post.
And we can't carry on a . . . Our languages here, except maybe Sanskrit, which is definitely an off-world language . . . It goes back, that I know of, about 7,200 years. And in 7,200 years, they were giving exact descriptions of how to build flying saucers.
David: Right. So let's talk a little more about extraterrestrials that you personally met with. And could you give us some more information on any three-fingered ETs that you personally saw?
Pete: I've seen three types of three-fingered ETs, actual, you know, walking around-type things . . .
Pete: . . . that had come here to trade information, basically, or to gather . . . We have a lot of substances with DNA that they are very interested in, very possibly for regeneration.
David: In specific terms, could you just describe what these three types of beings look like?
Pete: Some of the three-fingered ones . . . and remember my job mainly was reverse engineering controls in craft.
Pete: So like almost all of what we would call flying saucers had control panels that were for three-fingered beings.
David: Almost ALL flying saucers had three-fingered control panels?
Pete: And so that was . . . like I say.
David: Would these beings also have three toes?
Pete: All the beings I saw with three fingers had three toes, so it was a universal kind of thing.
David: Now, wait a minute. In the Nazca show, the toes seemed to curl down at the front joint.
And I'm curious if you ever observed that.
Pete: Oh, absolutely.
David: Really? Okay.
Pete: Yeah. And one of the ways . . . I said I see three different groups of these three-fingered beings. In one group, they have the three fingers. The middle finger is straight. And they have the actual . . . Most of them have two extra joints that we don't have.
They're not the same as the knuckle joints we have. It's a different kind of joint.
But on many of them, the joint for the tip of the outside fingers . . . Actually, instead of moving all in an axis like this [moving up and down], the outside ones move inward.
Pete: Well, what does that do? It gives you an opposing thumb on either side of your middle finger.
David: Interesting. So the middle finger wouldn't do that, but the other two would?
Pete: The other two would.
Pete: Now, on the ones now, it looks like they're all three, perhaps, that way. But usually, the middle finger still is linear to one direction, whereas the outside fingers tend to go in.
David: So I would imagine that the tendons for those joints would have to be in a different place.
Pete: The tendons are in a different place, and the control paths, or grooves, or channels within the bones and along the bones are in a different place as well, and they're very different.
David: Do you think some guy in Peru could have made these mummies as a hoax to make money?
Pete: Not today.
David: Why not?
Pete: We don't have the technology. My understanding is that the crystalline structure of what you have is the crystalline structure of a natural bone.
Pete: How can you make that? We have no way of even thinking of how to make such a thing.
David: Some of the people who are skeptics have balked at the white dust that's around the mummies.
And what we've now seen is that that dust tests out as diatomaceous earth and apparently the whole cave is absolutely filled with it.
So do you think . . . Why would they put diatomaceous earth on these mummies, first of all? What would be the reason?
Pete: Preservation method to preserve the tissue. The tissue is always going to decay. It's going to be eaten by bacteria that are in the air. We always have that problem.
So the Egyptians did it one way. They did a lot of stuff where they used the wax from a certain type of beetle wings that they coated it with, and it blocked the chemical interaction.
David: With your knowledge of material science, would diatomaceous earth function as a preservative?
Pete: Absolutely. All diatomaceous . . . Diatoms are tiny one cell, or very few cell mechanisms with a carbonaceous outer skeleton.
And so, for example, in some areas in the Andes, the caves are all in diatomaceous earth.
Pete: They were formed when the Earth had mostly just diatoms as the animal life here.
Pete: And so that's what you'd have for the skeletons.
David: You said that you met three different types of three-fingered beings. And I'm curious about how they communicated.
Pete: Some communicated mentally. Some communicated partially mentally. That's the one like you have that still has ears. Some don't have ears. Or if they have ears, they're set up much higher frequency so they can get better range and better ranging.
Some can see with their hearing.
Pete: In other words, they hearing is so fine, they can distinguish 1/10th of a hertz tone.
Some of their speech is in a very narrow bandwidth, and yet, they have far greater type speech than we have.
David: When you say “narrow bandwidth”, you mean the pitches of the speech?
Pete: The pitches. The pitches would be like, say, between middle C and the A or B note, above or below. And that's all! That's just . . . That's the whole spectrum. But in that whole spectrum, they can cram in enough information to get vision.
David: Was there anything unique about their eyes, or the eyelids, or the way they blinked?
Pete: All different, but not hugely different. Now, there are some that have an eye that blinks from both directions [meaning top and bottom].
The Reptilian ones have a different kind of coating structure. Or they have a structure that somehow keeps wet. They get a different airflow. It's got a different surface. It holds the water closer. The tears are very thick. All of these things take place.
And their eyes are like most lizards. They don't blink.
Pete: There are aliens with compound eyes. There are aliens with vertical pupils. The pupils, instead of going like this [open and close], goes like this [vertically narrow and enlarge] – open and close and adjust the amount of light.
There's always a certain amount of light and a certain set of shades of light that the eye sees better. And it's because it allows you to gain more information. And all of that's for guidance and survival.
David: If we were to see the eyes of the beings that you saw in these mummies from Nazca, what do you think their eyes would look like based on your experience?
Pete: Now, the beings that are similar to that have an eye that's very much like ours.
Pete: It's not a compound eye. It has lids.
I've seen a couple of them with iris like a camera. Look at the old-fashioned cameras, and they have an iris that goes together and comes apart like this.
David: When you say it's an iris eye, you mean that the eyelid would open and close like that?
Pete: Not eyelid, but the pupil is built . . . There's a chemistry that it follows in animals. There's a chemistry that it follows. There's a neural structure that it follows.
The eagle can see a bug from several thousand feet, crawling on the ground.
Pete: We don't have that kind of vision.
Pete: And their eyes are accordingly different. Well, you have the same thing with aliens then.
David: So did these beings walk flat-footed, or did they walk on their toes?
Pete: They walked like . . . First off, if you looked at them from a distance, they looked like they were walking on stilts.
Pete: And the toes would kind of curve, depending on how soft and how curvable they were. They'd stand on it, and it would expand, or stretch, or clatter.
And a lot of them had a hoof-like structure on their fingers or on their toes. There were groups of them that had pads, and they had very flexible toes. And the toes would just simply flop and flap and move out of the way. Some of them had control of that to help them balance.
David: Would they be barefoot, or would they have some kind of jumpsuit over the feet or what?
Pete: All the above. Some were bare. A lot of them were bare. Those that were bare had the hardened hornlike . . . some . . . Most of them had the horn in between the joints.
David: What was their role here on Earth? Were they positive? Were they trying to help us?
Pete: Looks like they came, they explored, they existed, and they picked up and left.
David: All right. Well, that's all the time we have in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure” with our special guest, Pete Peterson. And I thank you for watching.