Season 1, Episode 3
DW : I’m your host, David Wilcock, and I’m here with Corey Goode. This is a very interesting conversation that we’re having regarding the Secret Space Program. I want to emphasize once again that this material is highly controversial, and that you probably have not heard anything like this before unless you’ve been following what we’ve been talking about. I do want to make it clear one more time, that I have investigated this subject for many, many years. I’ve been in contact with insiders for over 20 years and I’ve spoken to dozens of people with different types of classified clearance. And my conclusion has been that there very much has been an industrialization of our Solar System and beyond, by what you could call the government or the military, depending on how you want to word this. So, Corey, it’s good to have you back again. And it seems like, from what you’re saying, the LOC, of Lunar Operation Command, is like the focal point for how Earth is then connecting out to the greater space Program and the cosmos in general. So, tell us a little bit more about the LOC. I guess, first of all, what does it look like as you’re flying into it?
CG: Well, you can tell it’s been built and added onto quite a bit since the ‘50s, It’s built into the craters and into the rocky area to where it blends in somewhat. Some part of it, is built into the rock. Very little of it is above ground.
DW: Oh! Okay.
CG: Most of it, I have not has access to. I have seen a diagram to where it is somewhat of goes into a bell shape further and further down you go and I’ve only have access to upper levels.
DW: So, even though it’s a bell shape, you don’t actually see the bell on the surface of the moon.
CG: No. It’s like looking down at the top of the bell or the tip of a pyramid. You just see the smaller top or the tip of the iceberg, I guess you would say. The rest is below and spreads out as it goes down.
DW : If there are this many craft going to and from the LOC and you say it’s on the dark side of the moon, how could it possibly have been kept secret from us? Couldn’t people with their telescopes see all these ships coming and going from the moon?
CG : People do see that. There’s actually another base on the back side of the moon that belongs to human beings. It belongs to one of the Secret Space Programs called Dark Fleet, that a lot of people see craft coming from. I can give more of a location of that one. If you’re looking at the moon, it’s at about 10:00 position. People have filmed and seen flurries and swarms of craft leaving and coming from that area quite a bit... amateur astronomers with video cameras hooked up to their telescopes. This is something that has been seen.
DW : Is there anything on the side of the moon facing us of interest, or is it all being kept on the back so that it’s less apt to be seen in the moon’s surface.
CG : Most of it is on the back. There are areas on the front side where craft come out and there are entrances. There are also areas that are, by ET groups, that are covered by a sort of hologram shielding that prevents us to see it. Most of it is on the back side of the Moon for obvious reasons, for those on the planet’s surface that are not meant to see the stuff, won’t see it.
DW : When was the LOC actually built?
CG : The LOC was built onto an existing NAZI facility that had been built in the latter part of the ‘30s and ‘40s.
DW : So, it goes that far back.
CG : That far back. Once the industrial might of the United States became involved, they really started putting a lot into it and built it out like crazy. They started really building in earnest, in the late ‘50s on it.
DW : Yeah, and I want to get a lot more into the history of the space program in some later episodes. For right now, let me ask you another question. If we had this all the way back in the ‘50s, then why did we do the Apollo missions? Why did we land on the moon? What was the point?
CG : There are various levels of programs. There are some in NASA, and there’s NASA equivalent military programs that are what they think, are the most cutting edge. And they think they are at the top of the totem pole as far as security clearances and “need to know” of what’s going on in the solar System.
And these people would literally get into fist fight with you were to challenge them and tell then they weren’t. So they’re ... I guess the lie has many levels and the people at each level are told they are at the top. And it’s not the case, but they believe it, just as everything is completely compartmentalized. In each compartment, everyone think they’re doing the most important cutting-edge work and have the broadest knowledge and all other compartments and groups are below them.
DW : I guess if you can make someone feel special then they’re going to work harder because they think they’re the cream of the crop.
CG : Right, Hubris
DW : Yeah. Do you think, the Apollo missions was a money laundering operation?
CG : Very well could have been part of it, to channel a lot of that money into the Secret Space Program. The people that were running those programs on the lower level really believed in what they were doing and really thought it was cutting-edge and the highest technology we had.
DW : Do you think those employee could have had information withheld from them about how expensive what they were working on actually was?
CG : Oh yeah! They deceived on an intelligence and every... They were deceived on every levels.
DW : So do you think it could be maybe even only 10% as expensive as what they told us it was?
CG : That would be speculation. I would have no way to know, but...
DW : But it definitely could have provided “black cash” to develop out the Space Program even more.
CG : Yeah. Through all different ways... that drugs, all kinds of way they have of coming up with cash to build out that infrastructure in the beginning.
DW : Do you think that NASA knew anything interesting at all that we didn’t know in the mainstream about the moon?
CG : There was a lot that was discovered during the Apollo missions. In the beginning they discovered that it was not a real good idea to slam one of their landing modules into the moon to test the instruments they placed on the moon to check for moon quakes.
The moon is a very strict zone that is like a giant Switzerland. It is a very neutral zone and hitting it with that projectile was a very bad idea. And from what I read, they were warned not to come back.
DW : It’s strange that you would say that the moon is this neutral Switzerland type of area because it’s right next to the Earth. If it’s our moon, shouldn’t be our property and we get to have control over the moon?
CG : No.
DW : It doesn’t work that way?
CG : No. If you’ve seen, sort of, the maps of Antarctica, how it’s sliced up amongst all the nations. The back of the moon is that way, too. And all these different regions are pretty much owned and inhabited by different ET groups.
DW : Really?
CG : And there are some groups that have bad blood and have warred with each other going back many, many, many thousands of years, but they have installations that are just a couple of kilometers away from each other. And they have been there for many thousands of years, in peace.
DW : There’s a lot of moons in our Solar System, so why is the moon right next to Earth so important to these folks?
CG : It’s a perfect observation and area to leave, to come to the earth and back for doing their experiments.
DW : So a lot of what we could call extraterrestrials are not very far away and they’re coming and going from a place that’s actually right nearby.
CG : Exactly.
DW : Does this get back into what you were talking about in our previous episode, about the delegation with this so-called experiment where they were running these 22 different programs?
CG : Right. And all of the different ETs... this includes human-type ETs and the non-human-types, types that do not particularly like each other very much. There is some sort of diplomatic agreement about the moon. There is something very special about the moon being a very diplomatic neutral zone. None of them will violate that.
DW : So you’re saying in this Super Federation Conference, where you said there’s at least 40 different groups, they’re not all in agreement on what they’re doing. They all have their own programs or their...
CG : Own agendas.
DW : So these delegations were like a way of them kind of working out their arguments and finding common ground somehow?
CG : Right, not stepping on each other’s toes all the time with their different agendas.
DW : How could these groups that have warred with each other in the past possibly be able to tolerate each other’s presence on such a small – the moon is only 2,160 miles wide, so how could they tolerate that?
CG : It’s something that has been going on for thousands of years. They’ve set up this diplomatic neutral zone that not even the worst of them will violate. None of them will violate it. It just is not - It’s something that I’ve heard it say - it is not done.
DW : Is there some sort of enforcement, some sort of military that polices it or ...
CG : It doesn’t have to be. It just – no one has to enforce it. It just isn’t done.
DW : Well, that would imply that in the past, something happened that was so horrible that they learned from their mistakes, I would think.
CG : Right. There’s areas on the moon where there’s a lot of debris from other battles and things from ancient times.
DW : They didn’t clean it up?
CG : No. They left it there as kind of a memorial, or a testament of what happened in the past. And the stuff is still there and it’s usually off-limits.
DW : So it might be like the idea of how silly the nuclear arms race is, where you’ve got two countries fighting over who’s got more nukes when even a small percentage of that arsenal would wipe out the whole planet.
CG : Yeah.
DW : So these folks would all wipe out each other out it they want to war because they probably have weapons that are much greater than nukes.
CG : Right. They can destroy entire planets.
DW : WOW. So, the LOC, is that just one small part of all the habitation that’s on the moon?
CG : Right.
DW : It’s not really a focal point, except maybe for us, for Earth?
CG : Right. It’s a focal point for human activity.
DW : So, other ET groups would have their own versions of the LOC for them, which would be like their focal point.
CG : Exactly.
DW : They’re not using our LOC as their focal point?
CG : No. No, no, no. I have not seen ETs at the LOC, other than when members of the Sphere Alliance have appeared.
DW : So real quickly, what is it like when you are in the LOC? Do they have apartments that you can go to once you get inside? Is it just wide open conference rooms and little chairs? What happens when you go inside?
CG : Well, until recently I had never been to the VIP area. I had always been to just the area to where they have kind of, not really small apartments, but small little dwellings to where it has two to four bunks. The halls are really narrow. You move over to the VIP area, the halls are wider, there’s wood paneling on the walls, like cherry-wood nice walls – very upscale. It’s a dramatic change when you go from one area to the VIP area.
DW : Could you wander around and try to find a restricted area, or do you have military escorts that lead you around. How does that work?
CG : Well, you’re allowed certain areas. There are marks, paint lines, on the floor that a different color that lead to different areas.
DW : So, if you were red, then you'd just walk, follow the red line to where it leads to?
CG : Right. And, like I said, I’ve only been... The top floor is where most of everything takes place. The next two floors were the medical and some other more advanced medical stuff take place. I have never been further down than those.
There are some people recently that have been taken on a tour that have gotten to see a lot more than I have.
DW : One of the thing that obviously is the most interesting to folks is the idea of an alliance. So, we covered that briefly, but I’d like to sort of, sketch-out for us in more detail. What is the alliance? Was it there at the beginning of the Space Program or did it form later on, and what are their goals, that kind of stuff.
CG : The alliance, it kind of formed slowly over time. The Solar Warden was more of a group that was dated back to the SDI era and a little bit earlier.
DW : Strategic Defense Initiative.
CG : Right.
DW : Star Wars.
CG : Back in the late ‘70s, ‘80s, and they were getting upgrades up into the early ‘90s. But they were pretty much more of the aging fleet.
DW : What was the Solar Warden’s original responsibility?
CG : They policed the Solar System from intruders and...
DW : That would be groups that are not part of these 40 that are the Super Federation?
CG : Right. And also somewhat of a space-traffic control, air-traffic control. They took care of that.
DW : Could some ET group just interfere and invade with vastly superior weapons and technology? I mean, how could a group from the ‘80s be able to police our Solar System against potentially anybody that could try to invade here?
CG : Well, they wouldn’t have been able to hold their own with a large invasive force, but most of the groups that passed through were only in maybe one to a handful of vessels. There are so many different groups that pass through our area.
DW : And, I would guess it’s sort of like gang warfare, where the 40+ ET groups that sort of, claimed this as their turf, with whatever level of technology that they have, they’re also going to defend their “home turf” from an invasion.
CG : Right.
DW : So, Solar Warden is not necessarily meeting a tactical force. They’ve not having a weapons-up fighting stance when you say they are policing the Solar System – or are they?
CG : They would engage small numbers when they had to, but they were not ever a huge force to be reckoned with.
DW : So, most of these unwanted entrances into our Solar System, would be more small groups of ETs or single craft that are trying to be sneaky.
CG : Right.
DW : Trying to slip in?
CG : ... marauder groups that would come in and do “hit and runs”, to come and take things and leave.
DW : OK. So, where does the alliance come into play, now that they are talking about the Solar Warden? You said Solar Warden got started in the late ‘70s and they got a lot of the Star Wars technology?
CG : Mm-Hm (Yes)
DW : How does this relate to the Alliance exactly?
CG : OK. Well, they were kind of the root group that formed the alliance. Now, they’re made up of breakaway or defectors from the other space fleet groups and some of them are from various Black Ops Military Space programs. You have the ICC, the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate, which is pretty much the largest. They own pretty much all the infrastructure out in the solar System. You have...
DW : And what corporations?
CG : Just about every aerospace and other than aerospace, it’s a huge amount of...
DW : Lockheed, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, Hughes Aircraft?
CG : Yes. Just, all of the above. And not just American Corporations. And then you have the Dark Fleet. They are a very secretive fleet that has very advanced technology and they are predominantly outside of the Solar System all the time. Then there was this UN-type fleet from just about any country you could think of, and they...
DW : Countries on Earth, you’re saying.
CG : Earth countries. And they seem to be a lot more of a laid back, and not really a huge militaristic group. As Solar Warden has started pretty much a Cold War, they started to fly in front of the International Space Station to “accidentally” show their vessels, little things like that in the beginning.
DW : If Solar Warden is going to try to create disclosure, where obviously the other parts of the Space Programs don’t want it, couldn’t that lead to a shooting war between these factions?
CG : Yes. It was on the brink of that when the Sphere Alliance, the Sphere Being Alliance, went into an active mode and made contact with the Secret Space Program Alliance, which had just started accepting defectors from some of these other groups to where it wasn’t just the Solar Warden group anymore. The alliance was made up of defectors from the other programs, as well. So, it’s a hodgepodge of defectors from all the space programs that have a common goal of ending the tyranny on Earth of basically the secret Earth Government that controls the “Babylonian money magic slave system” and to bring to Earth the technologies that we have developed that has free-energy, all kind of medical technologies that will heal just about anything you can think of, clean up the environment. Overnight, these technologies would collapse the financial system and there would be no need for a financial system. And they want to bring this to Earth and to also do a full disclosure of all of the crimes against humanity that all of these elites have been doing over many, many years. That’s their goal.
DW : So, when did the Secret Space Program Alliance starts to have these goals in mind and begin to find action on them, to your knowledge?
CG : To my knowledge, they started forming these idea in, probably, the late ‘90s and were really starting to act on it in the early 2000s, where they were really trying to cause accidental disclosures by flying in front of live (video) feeds, trying to get people to ask questions.
DW : How much contact does the Space Program have with what’s here on Earth? Could they tune-in (to) cable television and watch TV and see what’s going on with our shows?
CG : Up until a certain time period, there was zero. All communications to Earth were blocked
DW : Really?
CG : Yeah. There was no... After the internet, internet access was blocked. There is internet broadcast throughout the Solar System.
DW : Internet from Earth, or they have their own internet in the Space Program?
CG : They have their own internet and access to The Internet.
DW : Oh! They do?
CG : Mm-Hm. A lot of time, it’s read-only.
DW : Read-only?
CG : Yeah.
DW : I would imagine that only the most trusted people would be able to actually upload something to the internet that they could be trusted not to leak the truth.
CG : Right. Back when I was assigned to the research vessel, we had all... Any radio or television broadcasts were blocked. We were not allowed any real-time of close to real-time news.
DW : So, the Alliance is aware to what’s happening on Earth? Some people at least in the Alliance know what’s going on here.
CG : Right. After they finally got to a point to where they broke away, they opened up information to where those that were in the Alliance now had access to information. And seeing what was going on gave them even more incentive to want to bring this information, this technology to humanity.
DW : What would the average person’s life be like if the Alliance’s goals are met? On Earth, what would that life be like?
CG : It would be no different than the “Star Trek” era, what you’ve seen in “Star Trek”.
DW : So could people have a portal station that they could go to, where instead of flying through the airplane that you’d be able to take some kind of stargate-type system to wherever you wanted to travel?
CG : Sure. Yeah. There’s replicators. There would be no starvation. Literally, the deserts could be turned green with desalination of water.
DW : What about all the plastic floating in the ocean, these big giant gyres of waste material?
CG : Matter is easily changed into something else. It’s just matter of knowing how, the technology to do so. And we have that technology, it’s just not being shared.
DW : Some people might be really freaked-out by the idea of not having money anymore. They’re going to say, that’s socialism, that’s communism. That’s going to get us under even more control because nobody will have any money to resist this new thing that they’re trying to do.
CG : That’s the way we’re programmed.
DW : How would you think that, that’s not the case?
CG : I mean, if you want money that badly, you can use a replicator and replicate some silver or gold of replicate yourself a $100 bill, if it makes you feel comfortable, and put it in your pocket. There will be absolutely no need for any type of financial give or take.
DW : I would think that, the typical old-school politician mentally would be that if you gave everybody to Earth this kind of stuff, that they would all just want to drink beer and nobody would want to do anything, and they’d just be hanging around and it would kill them. It would ruin their lives.
CG : Well, there’s going to be a transitional period where people are going to go probably a little bit nuts for a while with the technology.
DW : I mean when people win the lottery right? It’s not good for them.
CG : Right. Well, if everybody wins the lottery at once, everybody has a replicator. Everybody’s going to be pushing the button every day and trying all these different meals. Everybody is going to want to go all over the world, and once it’s cleared all over the Solar System, and see all these different ruins that are everywhere. I mean there’s going to be a lot that’s going to be opened up. But first, we’re going to have to go through the process of dealing with our past and getting over our past.
DW : Couldn’t somebody have a replicator and build a very effective weapon with it and then kill a whole bunch of people?
CG : That’s what buffer technology is for.
DW : What’s buffer technology?
CG : They’ve got some of that on temporal drives to keep people from traveling back in time on certain craft that have temporal drives for engines, I guess you would say.
DW : So you can’t just 3D print a nuke with a replicator or something like that.
CG : Right.
DW : OK. So there are restrictions. It’s not you can make anything
CG : Right.
DW : What does the Alliance want to do as far as all this secrecy and all this occultism that we see in the world today, the weird stuff that is so upsetting and depressing? How do they want to handle that?
CG : They want to shine a light on it. They want to bring the truth, the information, to every human being at once on the planet. Not give certain people the truth, give everybody the truth. Give everybody access to this technology and information.
DW : So, no more cover-ups at all?
CG : No more cover-ups, no more partial disclosures. Just bring it all, bring it all to humanity.
DW : Yeah, that’s really incredible. So that’s all the time we have for this episode. We are going to have a lot more to talk about. Obviously, we’re just getting started. But again, Corey, thank you for being here. This is really incredible information.
CG : Thank you.
DW : Bye.