Season 2, Episode 7
DW: Welcome to "Cosmic Disclosure." I'm your host, David Wilcock. And in this episode, we're going to be getting into the Germans traveling to Mars. However, in between episodes, it occurred to me that there are some really important unanswered questions.
One of these questions is that we have artifacts on the moon, and there are also artifacts on Mars. So we're going to get into the relationship between these ancient artifacts on the moon and on Mars, since the Germans ultimately found them on both spheres. This will help us to build our way into understanding what the Germans actually did on Mars. So all of that will be covered in this one episode. So, Corey, I'm really excited to get into this, and thanks for being on the show.
CG: Thank you.
DW: So, Corey, we were talking about the German development of the moon in the previous episode. How do you feel that this was accomplished in light of the Ancient Builder race? Were there Ancient Builder race ruins on the moon that they were able to find when they were doing that research when they first got there?
CG: Yes. There are Ancient Builder race ruins all over the entire solar system and underneath the surface of our planet.
DW: What specific Ancient Builder race ruins did they find on the moon?
CG: I think some of the most significant ones that you would be interested in, and a lot of others, are some of the ancient buildings that were obviously built for a race of very tall beings, unless they were beings that just liked a lot of headroom and really tall arches and doorways.
DW: When you say really tall, what are we talking in feet, like what was the estimated height of these people?
CG: Some of the stone seats and the doorways, we're talking upwards 60, 70, 80 feet.
DW: Beings 60, 70, 80 feet tall?
DW: When you say stone seats, what would they look like? Would there be anything that we could see on Earth that would be similar?
CG: They called them thrones, but they were not. There were lines of seatings along walls that were facing outward, that I guess the closest that we would see in an older castle would be like a throne room with thrones against a wall.
DW: Were these seats carved just as very utilitarian and basic? Or did they have sort of ornate designs to them? What was the aesthetic of the seats?
CG: They at one time had writing or emblems on them and symbols on them, but someone for some reason had sandblasted or removed them, same with any other area in these buildings and structures that seemed to have had any type of indication of writing characters or images. They were erased, as if-- I guess they say the victor always writes the history. Well, maybe other ET groups moved in millennia later and decided, we want to write the history, we want to be known as the gods. So they erased what was written.
DW: Did these thrones just appear etched into the side of a mountain, like we might see with Mount Rushmore on Earth? Or were they inside rooms of some kind?
CG: They were inside rooms. And this was very high tech. It was obviously manipulated matter, technologically manipulated matter.
DW: So describe for us-- how would you find a room? Do you see like a dome, and then you go into the dome? Is it built into the side of a mountain? Is it underground? Where do you actually see these rooms? How do you get into a room?
CG: These are mostly covered structures now by moon dust and meteors that have hit and left remnants. They've been there a long time. But there would have to be a certain amount dug out. Maybe 10% would be above the surface. And even that would have to be uncovered. And the rest would have to be dug out, and then they would go in and excavate and check out the interiors.
DW: Were these structures on both the Earth-facing and the dark side of the moon?
CG: All over.
DW: And so is the building often square? Or is it more of a circular type of shape? What was the shape "clue" that this was a site and not just another irregularity in the moon's surface?
CG: These buildings were found in all different shapes, all different conditions, and made out of different types of materials, including the before-discussed transparent alloy aluminum material, or parts of the buildings were made out of that material.
DW: So some of these buildings, the walls you could actually see right through them once you uncovered them from the lunar regolith?
DW: Wow. Now, Richard Hoagland has talked extensively about what he believes to be glass domes that were on the moon and the idea that it could be pressurized inside, and you could have plants and trees in there. Did you encounter any evidence that there were, in fact, glass domes?
CG: There are all sorts of glass structures that are mainly destroyed.
DW: Including domes?
CG: Including domes and towers.
DW: And when you say destroyed, by whom?
CG: It may be by what, by a cataclysm. A lot of stuff is left on the moon as a reminder of a great war. There is quite a bit of other material and items that are left that come from much longer ago. The oceans of time we're talking about here are mind-boggling. And the number of different groups and races that have contributed to the trinkets and the buildings that are on the surface is just as mind-boggling.
DW: Let's talk about the parallels between whatever was found on the moon and whatever was found on Mars. Because the German scientists, let's say-- because they're not all Nazis-- when they went to Mars, did they find similar structures as what we saw on the moon?
CG: Yes. These Ancient Builder races and other races that have come into our solar system through the ebb and flow of time and fought for control over the solar system, controlled, lost control, come back millennia later-- this has gone on for millennia-- their structures have been found all over the entire solar system. Our solar system is littered with ancient, ancient archaeological sites.
DW: You mentioned before that there's a big portal that goes to other galaxies. It's right outside our solar system.
CG: There's a portal system that is a part of the cosmic web, and our solar system is in a very coveted area. And yes, that portal system spreads out not only to other galaxies but other star systems within our own galaxy.
DW: So we're in like a real high-rent district.
DW: Would you say, then, that our solar system has a lot more colonization and history than most civilizations that would be in more of a country area, as opposed to an urbanized district like this?
CG: I've been told that we're basically an oasis on a cosmic silk road.
DW: NASA came out recently and suggested that Mars at one point had a 1 and 1/2 mile deep ocean that covered at least half of its surface like the northern hemisphere. That's NASA saying that. Why do you think they would say that?
CG: I think we're getting to a point in human consciousness to where it's becoming pretty ridiculous to try to hide what's in front of our face when we look at Mars. Plenty of people have taken satellite views of Earth, satellite images of Earth, satellite images of Mars, put them side by side and geologically proven and shown that they've had the same type of activity on them.
DW: So did you encounter information suggesting that Mars was more Earth-like at one time?
DW: You had mentioned before that the asteroid belt was a destroyed planet. Hoagland and others have done work suggesting that Mars was originally a moon of this planet. Did you encounter anything like that?
CG: According to the smart glass pad, that was the intelligence-- that Mars was at one time a satellite of a super Earth that existed now where we have an asteroid belt.
DW: Was Mars also a watery planet with oceans as well at that time?
CG: It had oceans and a very thick atmosphere that was blown off in the same event that changed its current orbit and created the asteroid belt.
DW: When you look at the work of certain astronomers such as Dr. Thomas Van Flandern, who have studied what he called the Exploding Planet Hypothesis, or EPH, we see half of Mars is totally covered with craters. The other half is really quite smooth. So do you think that that was asteroids from the planet exploding, hitting Mars? Did you encounter anything suggesting that's what happened?
CG: Yes. And we can go into this in quite a bit of detail. There was a lot. The surface of Mars, half of it, has heavy shocked quartz and deposits. And half of Mars is positively charged. The other half is negatively charged. And because of what had happened to it in this event, it is now a basically giant capacitor.
DW: Hmm. So we have this whole, huge planet that's a habitable world with oceans. And then there is a moon around it that became Mars, as we think of it, that was also habitable. Did you encounter any information suggesting that there were opposing civilizations on each of these spheres? Or was it all part of one greater civilization? Do we know that?
CG: I saw the nuts and bolts, scientific information. That's where we start getting into the secret Earth government syndicate, or Illuminati, religious ideas about all these ideas about what happened. They've created all kinds of myths and ideas about how it happened and what happened, and they believe it as fervently as any other person believes their religion.
DW: Now, you said a little earlier that these buildings on the moon, we were talking about thrones that you found on the moon with buildings, different types that were buried in the ground, and you said that there was some kind of effort to wipe off the writing and the insignias on them. Do we find similar structures like that on Mars?
CG: Yes, all over the solar system, and they've all been treated in the same manner.
DW: Did these structures appear to have been built when Mars still had oceans before it got this blast from the planet exploding?
CG: I am going off of memory here, and I don't want to get into speculation, but that seems right.
DW: How much architecture is on Mars? How much stuff is there to find that shows that there was an advanced civilization there?
CG: Most of it is either underground or really destroyed. The surface of Mars went through such a huge catastrophe. It looks like a shockwave went around and around the planet. The geology is all screwed up. It's just a big mess.
DW: Well, let's talk specifically now about Cydonia, which is the area that Richard Hoagland talked about with the face and what appears to be a five-sided pyramid nearby.
CG: I saw the pyramids.
DW: What do mean you saw the pyramids?
CG: I saw five-sided pyramids. I saw pyramids--
DW: But we've all seen pictures of that.
CG: I have flown over and saw the pyramids--
CG: --that were partially buried with like mud or sludge. Either I did not fly over the area where the face was, or I didn't see it. I did not see a face.
DW: Are you seeing parts of the pyramids that still look like a stone-carved surface? Or was it all covered in some degree of debris?
CG: Part of it is sticking up out of the debris, but I would say most of it is-- they are quite a bit larger than people think because they are covered in sludge.
DW: I'm remembering one insider, Daniel, tell me that he saw a picture of astronauts waving next to a pyramid on Mars and that there was a very nice, sharp line of the pyramid going up. So it seems like you're kind of confirming that there would be certain pyramids where there are still some sharpness that could be visible from the ground.
CG: They were obviously pyramids.
DW: Wow. OK, so the Germans went to the moon, and you said they went to the asteroid belt, and they also went to Mars. So what is the sequence? Did they do all this at the same time? Or how did they approach this?
CG: Well, first they went to the moon. After a failed attempt, they set up their base on the moon. And then they went to Mars. And then they set up another temporary base on Mars when they built out a larger base on Mars.
DW: OK, so let's just pause there for a second. Germans get to Mars. We haven't had NASA go to Mars yet at this point in our history. What's the year that we're talking that they got there that you know of?
CG: This was all happening in the late '30s and early '40s.
DW: Did they look specifically for archaeology?
CG: I just know that they were looking for bases to create outside of the Earth, as well as bases in areas of the Earth that were inhospitable or out of the reach of the regular civilization of Earth.
DW: How did they have breathable air inside these craft? Was that part of extraterrestrial technology that they were given so that they could have a long trip and not need to come back here?
CG: Yeah, they had developed some of their super submarines. They had already begun to develop carbon dioxide scrubbers and closed-system oxygen-breathing systems. They had already started to develop that for some time. But it was after they had worked in development with these ET groups and developed advanced technology that not only gave them electrogravitic travel but also gave them the ability to have artificial gravity, and also have environmental controls that they felt comfortable leaving that far from Earth.
DW: Would they travel from the Earth to Mars? Or did they have a space station that they built somewhere between as like a supply depot?
CG: They traveled from the Earth to the moon, from the moon to Mars, just like we have planned to do.
DW: And what's the time of that trip? Like if you travel from the moon to Mars, how long would it take them based on that technology in the '30s?
CG: It would have been a matter of hours. I don't know exactly how long.
DW: And you say back then, as in now it would be faster?
CG: Now it's a matter of minutes.
DW: Wow. Let's say that they are looking from the surface of Mars now. Some researchers have said, and Hoagland is one of them, that the original Viking Lander photos seem to have had the red turned up in the image and that the sky does not actually look red, but it's actually blue like the Earth.
CG: Yes, they turned a red filter on. But you have to understand, there are times, depending on the-- it's very dynamic on Mars. There are times when the sky is red. There's so much dust in the air, especially if you're in the equatorial areas. The closer you get to the polar regions, the less atmospheric sand you have, debris you have. And there are aurora borealis.
You have a purplish pink sky depending on the time of day, sunset, sunrise. But during the day, there is kind of a purplish blue sky, but there is a lot of time when the sky, because of all the storms, is full of the red sand. And it's red.
DW: Could we breathe the air anywhere on Mars?
CG: It's not advisable to breathe it anywhere on Mars. In the northern and southern regions, it's easier to breathe. But it's more like being at the top of Mount Everest. Oxygen is thin. The barometric pressure is very, very, very thin. You do need a light duty, lightweight protective suit, and usually a respirator that is releasing some oxygen to you.
DW: Very interesting. You said before that the moon is heavily inhabited with a variety of different races. Are there satellites orbiting Mars or space platforms that have weapons' systems that will shoot you down if you try to go to that planet? How did the Germans-- did they just fly right in? Or did they encounter some resistance?
CG: I do not know if they encountered resistance. I believe at that point they had already formed an alliance. So I believe that people, or the group that they had formed an alliance with, would have been the people-- "people"-- that you would have to worry about shooting you down.
CG: There are a couple small moons around Mars.
DW: Phobos and Deimos, yeah.
CG: And there are satellites, current era, like crazy around Mars.
DW: Really? Satellites built by modern humans, you're saying?
CG: Modern humans, modern humans that inhabit Mars.
DW: Really? People that were born on Earth that migrated to Mars and built those satellites? Is that what you're saying?
CG: People that may be descendants of people that were born on Earth.
DW: And you said it's filled with satellites?
CG: Yeah. There are plenty of satellites around Mars.
CG: And some of them are weapons' systems. And a lot of these are people that are descendants from some of the German groups that established early colonies on Mars that later on grew after the Germans co-opted the military-industrial complex of the United States. These colonies grew across the planet. And a lot of these people that are there now are descendants.
DW: I want to get back to that, but you mentioned Phobos and Deimos. People who've studied this information online and have really kind of gotten into Mars, it's kind of a commonly known thing that the moons are, I guess, too close to the planet and that they also move too quickly in their orbits. I guess some people, like Hoagland, have also said that it appears that they're hollow inside based on their signatures. So what are we looking at with Phobos and Deimos? Are they just moons? Or is there something else going on?
CG: Phobos is crushed, is a crushed sphere.
DW: Really? So it was originally a perfectly round sphere?
CG: It was at one time a sphere.
CG: And at one end, there's an opening.
DW: So they don't show us that from NASA? They just make sure they photoshop it out or something?
CG: I haven't really looked at the NASA images, but I know that NASA photoshops and airbrushes images at an unbelievable rate of Mars, the moon, and other planetoids. So I would imagine there are a lot of things about Phobos that they photoshop or make out of focus.
DW: Well, one of the weird things about it-- and I can see it perfectly in my mind, and we'll put it up on screen-- is Phobos has these very extensive, parallel, straight lines that are all in the same direction. And then there's others that are going 90 degrees.
CG: Yeah, they're like ridges.
DW: What do you think that is?
CG: Just like on the moon, our moon-- this gets into a whole other topic. Our moon is an artificial structure. On top of it are hundreds and hundreds of feet of regolith and just smashed meteor matter that have built up over many millennia. And Phobos has its own gravitational field, and it pulls debris on top of it. And underneath this debris is a super structure.
DW: Did the Germans show any initial interest in Phobos if there's a hole in it that you could fly into? Did they do that when they first got there?
CG: I did not see any record of them.
DW: What about Demos? You mentioned Phobos is a collapsed sphere, which I guess implies that there's a lot of hollowness inside. Is Demos also something other than just a regular moon?
CG: I did not read anything about it being artificial. So it's possible that it might be a natural object that was captured in a cataclysm that happened a long time ago.
DW: First of all, is there liquid water running on the surface now in certain places?
CG: Mars has a very strange cycle year, yearly cycle. At certain times, the water that is at the surface in the form of ice liquefies.
CG: But not for long. I never saw information about lakes, small oceans in the current era. I never flew over bodies of water or saw bodies of water.
DW: OK. So did the Germans have a plan to try to use local materials to make a sustainable base when they got there? Was that always the intention?
CG: Yes. Just as on the moon, they planned to take a certain amount of resources to Mars, lime and all the different things they need to mix with local resources to make concrete and whatever they needed to build structures that they could then pressurize and use as temporary shelters. They had to make quite a few trips to bring people and materials over in the beginning. This was in the beginning of when they were using stargate or portal travel. And in this early era, they were using the portals to transport materials and not people or organics.
DW: Did they have trouble with the organics having damage, like to their life cycle?
CG: Yes, as in killing them in a very gruesome way.
CG: Until they figured out the proper way to do it with help from some of these allied extraterrestrial groups.
DW: So what's the year that you know where portals started to be used to transport materials?
CG: They've been using portals to transport materials-- they've known how to do that since the '30s and '40s.
DW: Wow. So that's well before the Philadelphia Experiment.
CG: Right. And you saw how badly that went with the people.
CG: It wasn't until the '50s that they were able to start transporting people consistently without them suffering. I believe they called it temporal dementia. People would teleport intact from here to Mars. They would look fine, but then after a number of days, they would suffer some sort of dementia, they would call temporal dementia. And the Germans did a lot of work in this field that helped us figure out how to do this properly-- them working alongside their ET allies.
DW: It's such a mind-blowing thing to imagine that there were artifacts already there, like pyramids, when the Germans got there. How much were they interested in trying to reoccupy what was there, and how much were they just trying to build new stuff?
CG: In the beginning, it was getting a lay of the land. Just like we're doing, they were mapping out Mars, getting a lay of the land. They had quite a bit of data on the geography of Mars and these smart glass pads. And this was information that was presented on a smart glass pad that's very technical, but it came from like typed sheets of paper that I was seeing. So they didn't have a real high-tech way of showing this information.
DW: So the Germans originally didn't have these smart glass pads, as you said before, but the data that they came up with in their surveying you saw as these JPEGs, or whatever they are, of original, typewritten documents.
CG: Right. And some older photos from old 35-millimeter, or whatever they used, photographs.
DW: Were there photographs of cool-looking ruins from old civilizations that you saw?
CG: Yes, of ruins and of aerial photographs of areas, the huge volcano--
DW: Olympus Mons.
CG: Olympus Mons. There are lava tubes that are 10 times the size of the lava tubes we have here. And they are perfect for sealing and creating an environment on the inside. And you have an easy, ready-made base. And that is a very highly coveted area to create bases. And the Germans wanted it. Later the ICC groups, I guess the modern space program groups, wanted to utilize that area. But it was already occupied by another group. There were a lot of them, and they defended it fiercely.
DW: Really? Do we know anything about what they look like or where they're from?
CG: Yes. There's a treaty between some of these groups. One of the groups are a reptilian type, and the other are an insectoid type.
DW: That's kind of what I expect.
CG: That is a very coveted area.
DW: So when you say 10 times bigger than lava tubes on Earth, are we talking five miles wide, 20 miles wide, 50 miles wide, top to bottom?
CG: I mean, huge. I mean, they dwarf any of the caverns or the tubes that we have here.
DW: Most of which we don't know about, I guess you're saying.
CG: Right, yeah.
DW: Because they already have huge cities built in them.
CG: It has to do with the size of the volcano, the gravity, the barometric pressure on Mars, and the way that-- how come they're so huge.
DW: So could they be even like 100 or 200 miles long from top to bottom?
CG: I would be speculating. I didn't see any hard data on how many meters or yards or feet they were.
DW: But given that some of the cities here on Earth I guess can probably hold hundreds of thousands of people, you're saying that in these lava tubes, you could have millions of people.
CG: There are millions of beings living in these lava tubes.
DW: Wow. What are they doing?
CG: Just living out their life cycles there. They have their own civilization, their own way, their own societies. They're very territorial.
DW: Do they have pop stars? Is there like an insect Britney Spears?
CG: I don't know that much about them. A lot of the people that have been assigned to do security details on the surface of Mars have interacted with them. I have not interacted with them.
DW: So did the Germans get resistance from them right away when they first arrived?
CG: They interacted with them quite a bit.
DW: They tried to fight to get some of these tubes?
CG: Yes. Their plan was to go in and take some of these tubes. And there were some battles fought. And it did not go well for them at all. They even had some of their early bases destroyed. And they lost entire early bases.
DW: With the personnel, like all the people were killed?
CG: Yeah. And they also chose poorly. They built some of their bases towards the equator and found out that the dust storms that kick up quite often are very highly electrically charged. Static electricity builds up in all of the sand that's blowing at very high rates of speed.
DW: That makes sense.
CG: And the minerals underneath the planet-- I think I mentioned before, one side, because of impacts, caused crystallization of some of the rock.
DW: Right, you said shocked quartz was formed.
CG: And causing one side to be kind of an anode, cathode and anode on each side. So the surface, especially around the equator, will build up an electrical charge in the ground as well.
DW: Well, that makes sense. It's the same principle where you take certain metals and you put them under pressure and you electrify them, and you make them magnetic. So this was the whole side of the planet.
CG: Well, the problem when you are building a base and you have all this static electricity to where there's lightning storms going on in the sand storms-- it was that much of an electrical field being created-- well, it's destroying their electronics.
DW: So this is equivalent of a CME? It's like some kind of really powerful EMP pulse or something?
CG: Yes. And these occur often.
DW: So does that mean that the equator region is just no good?
CG: It's not a good place to set up a colony. I'm sure they've overcome a lot of shielding problems to create colonies there now. I know we can fly through those sand storms now and not have any electrical problems. But back in the day when the Germans were, I guess, landing on Plymouth Rock and forging new territory, they found out that this was not a place to be, especially with the technology they had at the time. They were losing all of their technology. So they found out that the closer to the polar regions, within 20 degrees, I think, of the north and south pole, were the best habitable regions.
And it also happened to be where a lot of other groups had been setting up bases. So they had to find an area where they could claim and set up a base, and everyone on Mars, just like people associate Mars with war, all of the beings there are very territorial, which I guess you could say is warlike. But it's part of their culture to be very territorial. It's like putting too many fish in a fish tank.
And they had to stake out their ground and defend it. And it took quite a bit of doing for them to do so. And they weren't able to be fully successful until much later into the later '50s when they were working with the US and the military-industrial complex and had all of the resources of the United States behind them. And then they really were able to start building out and becoming more of a force on Mars to push back some of these other groups, just like Americans did the Native Americans. They pushed back other groups and took over.
DW: Manifest Destiny. So during a typical Earth year, the Earth is tilted to the sun, and we're going to have seasons where it's going to get really cold or really hot depending on where you are, and that changes. If you're building near a polar region, and you're in Mars winter, how is that survivable for human life, given that Mars is farther away from the sun, would therefore be colder based on what we know from NASA studies of Mars?
CG: It's much easier to deal with the cold. When you have cold, you're going to have frozen water in the form of ice. It's a lot easier to deal with the cold than it is to deal with living in a desert to where you have electrical storms all the time, and plus the atmosphere is a little bit more hospitable in those regions, even if it's cold, I mean breathing-wise. Even though it's a very small oxygen content level, there's still more and in the north and southern poles.
DW: OK. So are you saying that these German bases were built in what we would consider an arctic-looking region?
CG: Not in the arctic. Usually within-- we would call it the 20th parallel.
DW: Were there any critters on Mars that they could hunt and eat for food? Is there any life there?
CG: Yeah, there is life there. I haven't heard or read too much about them hunting. I'm sure, as rough as things got for the original Mars colony people, I'm sure they did eat what they could find on the surface. I just don't recall reading anything about them having barbecues of Martian critters.
DW: What different types of critters did they find when they got there? Do you have to dig down, or are they on the surface? Do they fly?
CG: Most of them are burrowing-type animal life, even this weird little-- there's this little bat-bird-like thing. They dug holes. When we were building this one outpost, we were seeing these little holes. And around dusk, they would fly out, and each flap of the wing, you'd hear kind of a cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep, as they would fly out. What they ate, where they went, I don't know. And then they would return and go back into their hole.
DW: What did they look like? What was their color?
CG: They were dark, like black, and they looked real rough, leathery, and almost like they had almost armor on them.
DW: I would think for anything to have evolved to live on such an inhospitable planet, that it would all probably have this type of armoring and real ruggedness to it.
CG: It was just interesting to some of the scientists that something so small with wings could fly in such an atmosphere. They didn't think that the atmosphere was dense enough for them to--
DW: To provide lift right for the wings, yeah.
DW: How small is small? What was the size?
CG: I mean, they were small. I mean, like small, like the size of some of the birds that you see flying around here.
DW: Right. How similar did it look to a bat on Earth?
CG: The texture looked like a bat, like the wings looked like skin. But the head and the beak looked more birdlike.
DW: Oh, it had a beak.
DW: Well, we could probably go through the taxonomy of a whole bunch of different critters.
CG: And I didn't see a whole lot. Personally, I only saw a couple of things. I saw plant life and those kinds of things myself.
DW: You did mention that. We got the plants in.
CG: And I saw that was catalogued early by the Germans. They catalogued a lot of different life that popped up in the smart glass pads.
DW: Were there things that looked like little crabs or spiders?
CG: There were large spiders.
DW: How large?
CG: Very large, like half the size of a person.
DW: My insider Jacob described cooking and eating those. And he said, it tastes like crab. I don't know why you'd want to. Were there things like worms that dig through the soil or like millipede, centipede type life?
CG: Well, I saw reported a large, almost like silkworm-looking worms that were burrowing and would also come out and lay in the sun at times and then go back and burrow.
DW: Yeah, the main life that I heard about from two other insiders who claim to have been on Mars was these worms that were very large, that would actually eat metal. And they would attach themselves to the side of some of these bases, and they'd have to go out with these harpoon-type guns and shoot them. But they weren't very fast-moving, so it really didn't pose any threat to you. It was a very boring job, apparently.
CG: Yeah these looked almost like larva-type, big, bloated worm things that would burrow underground.
DW: Were there any indigenous life forms that had evolved on Mars and had actually always been there?
CG: There is one group that was very elusive that I never saw but read about that were human-like that stayed in caves and always wore robes and were very elusive and stayed away from everybody.
DW: Yeah, I heard about an indigenous population from some others as well. Do you know about their height or their appearance?
CG: This sounds too much like out of a movie, but supposedly looked very much like us but are very reddish. And they claim to be indigenous from Mars. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
DW: There's no way to know, yeah.
CG: But there was very little in the glass pad about them. They were very elusive. And whenever the space program would come in and build a new colony that was too close to one of their civilizations, they would move their entire groups.
CG: Yeah, they stayed completely away.
DW: They didn't take offensive action?
CG: No. From what I could tell, they were very non-Martian, very peaceful. They wanted to stay completely away from all other life forms.
DW: All right. So that is quite a fascinating body of information. We're going to be coming back next time with much more on Mars here on "Cosmic Disclosure" because you need to know. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I thank you for watching.