Season 9, Episode 29
David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and we have a special surprise for you.
This is Pete Peterson, coming back a year later after our last taping, and there's a lot more that he's been authorized to talk about. So without further ado, I bring you Pete Peterson.
Pete, welcome to the show.
Pete Peterson: Thank you.
David: So you have so much knowledge. It's pretty amazing to try to even figure out what we could talk about first, but we were talking about this before we started.
And it seems like a good place to begin would be the fact that we have pyramids. There's over 500 pyramids in Mesoamerica made of gigantic blocks. There's over 100 to 120 of them in Egypt. And then there's many other cultures around the world that all seem to get the idea to take gigantic, multi-ton blocks of stone, carve them very precisely, and put them in these amazing monumental structures.
Everybody wants to know, what is the insider view of this? Based on your personal experience with government top secret programs, what did they speculate was going on there? Do they have any idea as to how these were built? Does it have anything to do with extraterrestrials?
Pete: Well, I'm going to divert just a little bit here at the first to explain that when I was growing up, I learned to read very early. And the things that I was most excited about was anthropology and archaeology, and King Tut's tomb was big, and etc., etc. And so I wanted to be an anthropologist/archaeologist.
Because of that, every time I've had a chance to stick my nose into ancient archaeology, I've done it.
Pete: They were obviously built with alien or at least certainly far advanced knowledge from the people that built them.
Pete: And not necessarily the people that ruled those societies, but at least the people that built them.
So we had a priesthood class that had a lot of knowledge. We had a scientist class that had a lot of knowledge. And they were at the top of those societies.
Pete: So we had knowledge that we haven't had since that time because, eventually, these societies moved elsewhere or perished for one reason or another – many times because of getting into war with each other.
They were built because, think of it, this is a concentration of mass. Even the Earth isn't all rock, but these were all stone. They were very, very heavy.
They were built in a specific - they called it a “religious mathematical structure”.
Pete: There was, in their mind, a religion or philosophy-based thing to start with. Secondly, because they needed the informational structure and the informational field that was generated by this much mass in a particular shape at a place and time.
And it allowed them to do ceremonies. It allowed them to do – we'll call it – extraterrestrial communication.
Pete: It enhanced the – I don't know what other words to say than – psychic talent or psychic abilities of the priesthood that used them.
David: So do you think, Pete, that there was some sort of amplification of the spiritual aspect of that civilization where the pyramid or giant stone structure was built?
Pete: Very definitely. And I think I'll call it “informational”.
David: Okay. What was the effect of spiritual, or as you say, informational, effect on that society? What would the people feel? Or how would it change them when this pyramid was built? What would that look like?
Pete: What we live in is like three separate universes that are one inside the other inside the other with no border.
David: Uh huh.
Pete: And so most of the things that we do in our life here is in two of those fields. And then the informational field is the background of it, and it's what's responsible for what religions call the soul or the spirit.
It's responsible for a good part of what goes on in things like remote viewing, remote influencing.
A lot of it goes on with leadership abilities and what we call the Cabal today . . .
Pete: . . . and people who have more knowledge than the average person. They have different training. They have considerably different DNA.
They're remnants of very ancient, very, very ancient, back to probably as much as 200 million years or maybe more, of beings that have inhabited the planet at one time or another.
Pete: And it's what's behind all the esoteric and spiritual writings of the world, despite what, it may seem, quite a bit different in these religions.
A religion has power only because of what it knows that the average person doesn't know.
David: So let me ask you this: What do you think is responsible for these huge stones being able to be fit into those giant structures? Graham Hancock, and guys like that, have pointed out that there's no crane that is capable of lifting those stones in today's world.
So how do you think those stones were moved?
Pete: Oh, they were moved with anti-gravity devices or anti-gravity thought.
David: What would that look like if we were there and could witness this happening?
Pete: It'd look like they were floating, and several people were moving them.
David: Some of the pyramids are widely known. The ones in Egypt, the ones in Mesoamerica, are widely known. But then we have some really strange stuff that most people don't know about, like, for example, about 100 pyramids that show up in China that have flat tops and look kind of like the ones in Mesoamerica.
Why do you think all these different cultures all over the world keep getting the same idea to build such similar-looking structures?
Pete: Well, because it's the structure that gives us its power. It gives us its capabilities. It gives us its utility to the people that are building them.
Most of the flat top pyramids had tops.
Pete: As time passed, technology advanced, and they learned to build the top little pyramid that sat on the flat top, or truncated pyramids, were able to be done by, as best I can say in English, imagination.
They were actually physically present, but they were there as something imagined – something conjured.
David: Like an energetic structure?
Pete: Like an informational structure, the information structure includes physicality or not, and it includes energetics as well – the power for it. And it includes a shape knowledge.
If you look at the . . . The Tibetans are not an ancient civilization, but they have yantras or shapes that are very, very powerful that they use in their sand paintings, they use in their prayer wheels, they use in their fabrics, they use in temporary drawings that they make for powering something up and causing things to happen.
So there are some societies that call them holy charts or holy graph – 'holy', H-O-L-Y, graph.
Pete: And, probably, they're more powerful than physical things.
David: How were these pyramids used to communicate with extraterrestrials? How was that done?
Pete: That wasn't what their use was. I mean, they would do rites and things inside of the pyramids as holy structures.
Pete: Just like in the church, many people go to the church and pray at the church. So it's the center of what would be psychic or holy activity, but it isn't that they used the pyramid for that. They just do it there because it generates fields, informational fields, that are very powerful. But it doesn't work like our communication works. It's completely outside of the physical realm thing.
David: Uh-hm. Are there any pyramids that you know of, or other structures like that, that have not yet been discovered?
Pete: Oh, there are many. There's a lot of underground cities that have pyramids –
Pete: – ancient underground cities. There are some that haven't been discovered. There are some that were filled up by the natural things of being underground. In other words, there have been several different floods or deluges that have washed them full of sand, or clay – a lot of clay and sand, small particles – and they're clear full, but they're buried underground.
Those have been pretty easily mapped, inadvertently, by spy satellites we've built for looking for underground laboratories.
Pete: And so you see these structures underground. There are tons and tons of them that have been talked about, but nobody has done much about it, that are under the ocean.
David: Are there any pyramids in Ohio that have not been publicly disclosed?
Pete: I don't know of any that haven't been publicly disclosed, but the people probably doesn't [don't] know about it.
Pete: So they're digging them up there. There are three pyramids that I know of and have seen that are three times larger than the largest pyramid in Egypt.
Pete: They were part of a city of 15 million people . . .
Pete: . . . that's been discovered. That city is written about a little bit in the Book of Mormon, for example. The Book of Mormon is not the Mormon Bible. It's a history of the American Indian, . . .
Pete: . . . and it goes way back. But they're unearthing a lot of that right now.
There are a lot of laws about unearthing archaeological sites, and the problem is that you have cities built on it. Three-quarters of the city has cities built on it.
David: A lot of these books that I've read about the mounds and when they were originally being excavated, even going all the way back to Lewis and Clark going west and exploring America, it seemed like they kept finding giant skeletons in there, and these giants were sometimes nine feet or more tall.
So do you know anything about the giants and how that relates to these mounds or pyramids?
Pete: Well, these were the people who were here, living here at the time, and building those things, and breeding with the . . . There's been a long, long long breeding program to breed with Earthlings.
When I was a child, we used to visit museums where there were samples of . . . there were skeletons of red-headed people. The hair always seems to stay. Red hair seems to stay better.
But there were museums you could go to, especially in Oregon, where there were people up to about 12 feet tall.
David: Wow! Right on display?
Pete: Right on display. Very near there was a place that they used to mine obsidian for making primitive tools.
This was right after they came to the Earth, and they needed weapons, and they hadn't located . . . here's the steel, and here's the copper, or here's the iron.
David: “They came to Earth.” You're saying the giants are extraterrestrial humans?
David: Okay. Do you know where they came from?
Pete: We don't have any idea where they came from. There are some that we know where they came from. Some were from Arcturus.
David: But in short, what you're saying is giant, extraterrestrial, human-looking people – people that look pretty much like us but are tall – somehow came here. But then you're saying they had to make tools out of obsidian.
Why wouldn't they have had laser guns and all kinds of cool things like that?
Pete: How many people can you get in a spaceship?
David: I guess it depends on the size.
Pete: And then you'd land on a planet, and what do you have? When we go to Mars, we had to terraform it. When we went to the back of the Moon, we had to terraform it.
You didn't go there, and “here's stacks of steel and stacks of aluminum and stacks of tubing and stacks of girders.”
Pete: So you come there, you have to take a period of time, and it may take quite a while. We're talking now about one of our pseudo enemies or enemies, like North Korea or Russia, popping a couple of e-bombs that would put us back probably 90 to 100 years before we even had electric power in the country again, because we have to build those things.
And we don't have certain phasing transformers and things like that. We don't have large stacks of them waiting to replace something that somebody else blows up.
And when you come to a totally uninhabited planet or a system of planets, you don't have all the building tools there. You have to build the tools to build the tools to build the tools to build the product.
David: Now, I've noticed that a lot of these giant skeleton reports – because I've looked through as many as I can find, and there's hundreds of them – they seem like they have elongated skulls compared to us, which suggests that their brain would be larger for the body than our equivalent.
Pete: Probably it's as much as sometimes five or six times larger. The brain . . . If you look at the shape of the body of an octopus or a squid, even more especially a squid, I think they're probably degenerate DNA products from those kind of people because they look exactly from the side, they look exactly like it.
You have a front cortex area, and then you have a thing that looks like a bag hanging on the back. And that's the way their brains looked. That's the way their skulls looked.
David: To your knowledge, did these giants mess around with DNA on Earth? Did they try to breed themselves out?
Pete: Oh, of course, absolutely. They tried to breed with Earth women. And let's look at what we would do. Most of our spaceships have had mostly men, and you get somewhere, and you know you're going one way, so you get creative.
So not all of them, by the way, in fact, very few of them actually had that type of skull structure. Some of the larger ones did. Some of them had a skull structure almost exactly like ours.
David: Were those different races?
Pete: Different races, and there are very, very different races.
David: So these giants come here with what . . . I'm just going to infer. Since you said that indigenous people built pyramids, the priestly caste was in touch with extraterrestrials, I'm assuming these giants were one of those groups.
Pete: No, the priestly caste were extraterrestrials.
David: Oh, they were? Did these giants bring anti-gravity technology with them? Is that part of what they . . .
Pete: They came that way, a lot of them.
Pete: Again, when you come to an absolutely undeveloped planet, it takes a period of time to . . . especially when you have to change YOUR DNA so that you can live on the planet, breathe the gases that are here, not be toxified by some that wouldn't be toxic to us but are to them.
I'm relatively certain from things that I know and I've seen, and remembering that basically I'm a scientist, but I'm also an amateur anthropologist/archaeologist, I would think that there have been people here . . . Like I've had access, several times, to the Great Library of Alexandria, which we call the Vatican Library.
Pete: And it has different floors, and it's rated by how many years old the materials that are there.
And you go through several layers where there was writing and several layers where there wasn't writing.
We've had civilizations come and go, come and go, come and go. Some left to go elsewhere because one of the main reasons for going to another planet . . . It's an expensive process no matter who you are or what you have. It's time-consuming and expensive.
They came here to get raw materials.
David: How far back do you think civilizations on Earth that were intelligent have gone?
Pete: I think at least 200, 250 million years.
David: 250 million years?
Pete: Right. I mean, there's evidence for it. For example, in coal mines, we've had some coal mines that go down 3,000 to 4,000 feet. And in the mass of coal, they've broken out astrolabes, which are navigation devices that were set up for navigation throughout at least this galaxy, the Milky Way.
And these were semi-primitive in some ways, but absolutely perfectly filled the job.
David: If these giants come here with technology that can levitate stone and can work stone to make it basically floating like that, did they do anything underground? Were they able to manipulate stone underground, make caverns, anything like that?
Pete: Well, there were a lot of caverns that . . . And again, in the beginning, they came here, nothing was here except what was natural to being here.
There are a lot of places on Earth, because of the type of structure from the Earth, like in Arkansas, a lot of limestone . . . Limestone gets eroded away very easily by water. Lots of natural caverns there. Lots of natural caverns in New Mexico.
They inhabited those first because they needed protection from the Sun, because the Sun goes through about a 29,000-year cycle. Where it's now going into a cycle where we're probably all going to have to live underground.
And I think that opens up the fact that there's a lot of underground things. They did build underground. There are a lot of things underground.
I've visited a lot of highways, I'll call them, underground in South America that are well-known and well-documented. But you go in these underground tunnels that are at least as big as the Chunnel they built from England to France under the ocean.
David: Wow! Tell me how these tunnels that you saw in South America, or wherever else, looked. If you go inside one of these . . . because everybody would love to see this, but we're not generally allowed to. I don't think anybody's ever gotten to film it.
Pete: Oh, there are books, and books, and books written on it.
David: Yes, but nobody has been able to film it. So if you saw it yourself, could you describe what it looks like for us?
Pete: I saw tunnels that had a flat bottom, had a kind of oval-shaped top to them. Now those look very much like natural volcanic tunnels, but they're not. They were actually put in there.
The walls are glass, but it's a flexible kind of glass. And they go for miles, and miles, and miles.
I know I've been on a little vehicle like a moon buggy that they do tours with and so forth, that goes, probably, . . . I think I've been as much as 120 miles down one tunnel.
Pete: I did highway engineering at one part in my life, and they're obviously designed by engineers. They wouldn't appear naturally at all, and they wouldn't appear even with somebody that wasn't a very sophisticated engineer.
With a tunnel, when it was going over a hump, let's say, it ramps up to the hump, stays on part of a cylindrical surface, and then ramps down to another flat.
David: So help me visualize this. Are you talking about sharp-edged walls that look like it's laser-cut drilling? That kind of stuff?
David: Okay. And you say it's a glassy . . .
Pete: It looked like you had a great big oval drill bit that just drilled it.
David: Wow! But it was flat on the bottom?
Pete: There are places in the early tunnels . . . Remember, time progresses, technology moves. There are places in the early beginning where you could see that it was ground off by some kind of cutter, like an oil well cutting head, where there were striae in the walls. So there wasn't an engineering reason for that. It was because that's the kind of cutter they were using.
Later, they advanced and developed, I'm sure, laser technology.
David: Why would human beings make something underground that was anything much taller than their own heads, because why would you create all that extra space if you don't really need it?
Pete: Because you need the air flow.
Pete: Or the oxygen flow, or the gas flow.
David: Do these tunnels go to cities, or are they just long roads? Is there other . . .
Pete: Well, the ones that I've seen in South America appear to be roads.
David: But roads to where? Is there a . . .
Pete: I wish I knew.
Pete: Like I say, I went 150 miles and turned around and came back. We ran out of gas.
David: Did you see any inscriptions on those walls?
Pete: Oh, absolutely.
David: Oh really?
Pete: Oh, yeah, there were . . .
David: Like what?
Pete: Well, symbols, yantras. There are yantras there to protect the people. There are yantras there to keep the glass flexible.
David: Yantras, like mandalas, you mean?
Pete: Like mandalas, yes.
David: Wow! So geometric patterns.
Pete: Geometric patterns.
David: Interesting. Now were these just like engravings in the glass, or was there also color?
Pete: Well, they were engravings, but there had been some type of colorant rubbed into them many times, and many times just an engraving.
David: Did you ever see pictures of people, or spacecraft, or anything interesting like that?
Pete: Never saw spacecraft, but I did see . . . There are various ones of them that have people.
David: Hm. Did they look the same as us, or was there anything unusual?
Pete: They looked like normal . . . minor variations of us. Like there's so many people that are seven feet tall, and there are so many people that are four feet tall. So you'd see the variations. And probably by the percentage of people who lived there at the time, was the same percentage you saw in variations of people on the wall.
You'd see a few small people, and eventually, you'd see a few tall people, and eventually, you'd see a few people that we'd say were within the boundaries of what our shapes are now.
David: Were the different sizes of height of people co-mingling in the same images?
Pete: Sometimes they were, and sometimes they weren't.
David: Are you aware of anyone finding unusually technological gadgets down there, like a hologram or a laser?
Pete: I know of nothing that was found in South America like that.
Pete: And I mean, I looked, because I'm a technical guy, and I'm a . . . So it's one of those things I look for.
For example, I found tons of things in the British Museum that they had stolen from people that they . . . You know, the British ruled the world at one time.
And then the British Museum, and in the bottom of the Smithsonian, for God's sake, there's multiple stories of all kinds of stuff that they don't have the slightest idea.
David: Was there anything in the British Museum Library or the Smithsonian that you got to see that was so jaw-droppingly, obviously technological, like a really nice metallic form that looks very futuristic. Did you see anything along those lines?
Pete: Not along those lines, but I saw craft. I saw vehicles.
Pete: Yeah, in the structures itself, they were structures, a place to stay out from under the Sun, and under the rain, and live.
I didn't see people like you'd expect to go to New York and see highly architecturally decorated and built houses and things like that. I didn't see a lot of that kind of thing. And that's from an anthropological aspect rather than an engineering aspect.
They had, obviously, very advanced technology in building things, but as you would go from the tunnel entrance . . . very crude.
And as they built these tunnels, they were probably looking for minerals, and then a place to put more people, because there were quite a few people we know of that came here because their planets were crumbling or their system was crumbling.
And we're in a place where ours was going to go through a little spout of that, bit of that, but it's gone through it 12 or 13 times in the history that I know of, . . .
Pete: . . . because we have this 29,000-year solar cycle.
David: Right. Earlier in our interview, you mentioned that there were underground cities that you said actually had pyramids built into the city.
David: Could you tell us a little bit more about that, and is there any relationship between that and these tunnels?
Pete: Well, yeah, there has to be a relationship between the tunnels because that's how you get to these cities.
Pete: And there are cities that are very large. There's one, there's a waterfall and with an automobile driving light – which is probably, I don't know, 300,000 candlepower – you can shine up, and you can just still see it coming. You can't even see where it fails from – in a mountain in Utah that I've been in extensively – and it's a 12,400-foot mountain very near population.
It's got several different caves that are commercialized, that are owned, probably, by the government or maybe by private parties, I don't know, but I've been in.
Some of them, you can go back in these caves as far as 17, 18 miles. You can row across a lake that you can't see the other side of. That's got a waterfall that's falling.
And this whole mountain, the very top of the mountain . . . I've hiked to the top of it when I was much younger and in much better condition. I've gone up to the 12,000 [foot] line. I think it's 12,400 and some feet.
And the soil right there is loaded with seashells, ancient seashells.
Pete: So that whole mountain has risen up since we had these particular type of brachiopods and other types of sea creatures.
David: If pyramids have been found in underground cities, do they have a similar composition to the pyramids we see on Earth? In other words, are they made out of blocks of stone that are fit together? Or is there something more bizarre about those pyramids than the ones we see on Earth?
Pete: I see nothing more bizarre. They're made out of the materials that are usually nearby or inside.
Pete: And remember, we're building that for its shape because its shape affects one third of the universe as to information.
David: Sure. I've done a lot of episodes of Wisdom Teachings on pyramid technology and how the actual shape does create these effects – very bizarre effects.
David: So you're saying, then, that there's a civilization where the pyramid is not going to hit the roof of this interior cavity inside the Earth.
Pete: No. And also, we talked earlier about the truncated pyramids. There are truncated pyramids underground. That was more modern because we learned how to do . . . like, for example, the Great Cheops Pyramid. We know it had capstones on it that filled in the steps of the pyramid.
David: Right, the casing stones.
Pete: The casing stones. And they came down a certain way and stopped. That part of the pyramid and that shape, the rest of the pyramid concentrated information, and then that information sat up there in that top part and beamed up.
David: Are there any cities in which some of these people that built them actually still live and have survived?
Pete: As far as I know, the only one that I know of is the one in Antarctica.
David: Could you tell us a little bit about that?
Pete: Well, there was a crash there about 200,000 years ago. And at that time, it was tropical. There were palm trees there. Where the crash was, there were palm trees. That's about three miles under the ice now.
That's being excavated. They're putting a huge tunnel down into that one.
A lot of these ancient things look like some of the early science fiction movies, where they were trying to presume what the future was like, but way off from what happened. We advanced very rapidly.
My grandparents came out in covered wagons. So there's a tremendous advance in technology. You see a very definite change in the technology.
So the early stuff, the low stuff, that's down underneath two or three other layers of civilization, is very ancient, seemingly very ancient civilization, probably where they would have used these gear-driven navigation instruments. But the navigation instruments, the gears, the gear ratios, were all set up for this galaxy.
David: So what are we going to find when we look at Antarctica if we get the truth?
Pete: You're going to find several layers, separate layers, of occupation. You're going to find several separate layers of what the exterior was like at the time that civilization was there.
Only the last layer was it really Antarctica. Prior to that, it was a tropical island. And part of that, it was part of a very much larger island. Probably good pieces of it were pieces of Atlantis that actually picked up and moved down there.
Because it's like there are several parts of Atlantis that we find in the ocean, parts were left behind. There were a lot of parts that were highly radioactive and are still radioactive, parts that were destroyed.
But down there, one of the things you're going to find is those people, in the beginning, the early people down at that low level, were all giants. And some of them, as much as I understand, as much as 37 feet tall.