Cosmic Disclosure: The Original Rocket Man with David Adair

Season 8, Episode 2


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David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here with David Adair.

So why don't we start from the beginning, because you have a very significant story here. Take us through the story.

David Adair: Yeah, well a chain of events occurred while this was going on. My mother was a nurse, and she – this is 1966 – and she was in charge of a coronary care unit.

1 David Adair

And my mother ran third shift from 11 to 7:00 in the morning. And she had this elderly patient, 95 years old, and his name is Irving. And the wife, Arizona, was there. And they had a son named Curtis that would come in about 3:00 a.m. in the morning to see him. Their last name is LeMay.

Wilcock: Ah! Ha, ha.

Adair: So this is Curtis LeMay's parents.

 Curtis LeMay

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: My Mother was the CC technician, and since she is in charge of third shift, Curtis LeMay has to go through my mother to see his parents. So they became friends.

And he would show up at 3:00 in the morning because he's like paparazzi, back in those years, I mean. You know, former head of the joint chiefs, designer of the B-52, founder of SAC, Strategic Air Command. Guy had a little bit of power.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: So he got to know my mother, and they'd just talk, you know, personable guy. And he asked my mother, “What's your family like?”

She said, “Well, I got my husband and three sons.” And then she goes, “These other two sons are only about a year apart. It's pretty much normal,” but she goes, “that younger one, he's a little bit different.”

And Curtis says, “How so?”

“He's flying all these rockets out in the cattle fields. And they are really fast, and they're big.”

6 Photo With MASE Rocket

And he said, “Well, how tall?”

And she goes, “Oh, they're about twice my height.”

7 Mount Vernon Article

He goes, “Damn, that's big."

"And he's always writing stuff down."

And that got Curtis's attention. He goes, “He had stuff written in a book?”

“Yeah, he's got this big notebook, about 93 pages of it.”

“Could you bring that and let me see it one night?”

So she brought it one night. I go to bed to get up to go to school, so I didn't even know it was gone.

She comes back 7:00 in the morning, put it back down. I never even knew it was missing.

Wilcock: Oh, wow!

Adair: So Curtis looks at it. He starts flipping through it, and he's a pretty smart guy himself. And he's going, “Man!”

He turned around to my mother and said, “You don't have a copier do you?”

Wilcock: Ha, ha.

Adair: And he copied about a third. Thank God he didn't copy the whole thing. But he copied about a third of it, and he took it to about an hour and a half way from home, to Battelle Memorial. That's a big think tank.

Wilcock: What was in the books that caught his eye? Were you just taking notes from these 1,800 books in the library that you'd read?

Adair: No. To do what I was wanting to do, I'd have to make everything new from scratch. So I extrapolated information as a base point, and then I started my own math. And I went into electromagnetic fusion containment.

Wilcock: For space travel?

Adair: Yeah, for containment of a sun, electromagnetic fields. So Curtis took those pages he copied to Battelle Memorial, and he asked them, “Is that just chicken scratch or something important?”

And their immediate reaction was, “Who is this? Where is this person that's writing this?”

He said, “Some kid launching rockets out in cow fields.”

And they go, “My God!”

So LeMay asked, “Is it real?”

They said, “Yeah. We'd like to meet him.”

And that's when things started with LeMay.

Wilcock: So LeMay and his people started to think that you might actually have developed a way to contain electromagnetic fusion. Now, was that not being done at the time? And what's the payoff if that works?

Adair: There were some people working on some stuff, Los Alamos. But what LeMay saw was that, according to Battelle, I was on the right track, and I was definitely closing in on it. And they just were kind of flabbergasted that I wasn't at some institution or agency working with whatever.

And to LeMay, his brain was going in something else. So what he smelled was a coup here that he could pull, and that is he would fund me for everything I need, and he would end up with something that he was dearly looking for, which was speed. He was looking for enormous speed, because he had a term that I've never heard before in '71, it's called “first strike”.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: So I just thought, “Well, you're a kid. You're 15 years old, and somebody is willing to give you everything that you need?” Come on, you going to jump on it. You're not going to say “No”. I don't think so.

Wilcock: Right. And there's been some critics that says, “You couldn't pull this off in a garage by yourself.”

Adair: You're absolutely right. I needed everybody. And this guy, with his power and his background – although he was a civilian, it does not matter in his power – he had the entire Iron Triad working for him, which is the commercial, and the military-industrial complex.

So we had people working with us. We'd sub parts out that we need, and machine stuff. So I had people like National Livermore Laboratories at Los Alamos, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, Battelle Memorial. The list just goes on and on.

And LeMay was very shrewd. We would break things up into small units, and send them out, farm them out. So when the person's working on a device for us, [he is] not really sure what it is. It might be some kind of propulsion thing, or this might be regulating a flow.

You couldn't put it together unless you had all the parts. And that was very smart of him.

So when everything came back to our building, our assembly lab, I put everything together. And there was a lot of personnel – hundreds of people working.

So it took us 26 and a half months. I'd go to school, get off the bus in the afternoon, and all these people were at this big garage lab that I had. And I had asked LeMay to get everybody out of their uniforms and wear blue jeans and plaid shirts, so they'd blend in with the locals, 'cause I'm trying to live a normal life here.

And he said, “Oh, man, that's perfect. It's like covert.”

And I went, “What's covert?”

He's, 'Never mind. Just keep on going.”

And I wouldn't talk . . . try not to talk about much at school, but the kids knew that there was something going on with me.

Wilcock: So what did LeMay tell you the goal was of what you were doing for him?

Adair: What he wanted was . . . he said, “I want the same thing you want, David.”

And I said, “Oh, you want an electromagnetic fusion containment fire plant.”

And he goes, “Yeah, that's what I want.”

“Well, let's see what we can do to get it.”

And he knew for me to test my fuel, the best thing to test it in is a rocket body, which is exactly what he wanted.

5 Colonel Arthur Bailey Williams

So Colonel Bailey Arthur Williams was the XO for General LeMay. And he was there on site every day. I never saw LeMay. It was just Colonel Williams.

Once we got done, we were ready. It was completed after 26 months. And now we're ready to put it in a truck and take it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. And so we arrived there.

6 C 141

I do remember this: When we pulled in, there was a C-141 Starlifter. If you've ever seen them things, they are huge.

Wilcock: Enormous.

Adair: And there was this ring of heavily armed Air Force people around the plane. And they told me to drive over to it. I was afraid to pull up to it because I thought something's going on. I don't want to mess up with it.

An then I realized that was for me. That was for my . . .

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: And I remember just standing there on this apron, big concrete area, and that big C-141 sitting there, and all these military people with weapons, and a lot of security people everywhere.

And I thought, “My God, this is all for me! I'm about to have a heart attack.”

So we get the thing rolled up onto the plane, and off to White Sands, New Mexico we go. So we're going to launch this thing.

And when we get there, we prep it. And then that's when more characters started showing up in this story.

It's a long way to explain it, but I had become friends with Wernher von Braun by then.

Wilcock: Ah!

Adair: And people go, “Well, how's that possible?” I won science awards. Oh, man, by the time I was 16, I had won probably over 100 scientific awards.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And some of the trophies were taller than I was. And you have dignitaries hanging medals around your neck. Well, one dignitary was Wernher von Braun, which makes sense.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: So now we're at White Sands with the rocket.

Wilcock: Did the C-141 actually hold the rocket inside of it?

Adair: Yeah.

Wilcock: Is that why they were guarding it?

Adair: Absolutely. LeMay picked it out. And I said, “Good choice.”

So we got to White Sands, and then there was . . . That's when things started.

7 Black DC 9

This black DC-9 landed the next day. And I made a joke with Colonel Williams as he's watching the DC-9. I notice he's not smiling. I said, “Where's the white bunny head?” You know, on the side of the tail of the plane, because that's Hugh Hefner's plane flying around those years.

Wilcock: The Playboy bunny.

Adair: Exactly. And I looked up at him, and normally he's really a personable guy, but he's not smiling. He didn't look happy at all. And he had a good reason, because he was worried about something, and he was right.

As soon as the plane rolled up to our hangar, it stopped. Out came these guys, so help me, black suits, white shirts, little skinny black ties. Get closer to them, funny-looking triangle watch. And I didn't know . . .

Wilcock: Triangle watch?

Adair: Yes, it was kind of a triangle-shaped watch.

Wilcock: So they're agents?

Adair: Actually, what I believe y'all call MIBs.

Wilcock: MIBs, yeah.

Adair: That's the first time . . . I didn't know who they were. I just thought, pretty stupid people wearing that kind of clothes in the middle of a New Mexico desert in the summer.

Wilcock: Sure.

Adair: And then one little guy came out behind them after everybody got off. Now, he had khaki shorts and stuff. And I thought, “He's smart! He knows how to dress.”

And I'm looking at Colonel Williams, and he's not saying a word. And I asked him, “What's wrong, Colonel Williams?”

And he goes, “We're in serious trouble.”

And he goes, . . . “Well, who's the guy in khaki?”

And then he got closer, and I recognized him from a photo that von Braun showed me. He came in through Operation Paperclip. His name is Rudolph, Arthur Rudolph.

8 Arthur Rudolph

He is the chief architect of the F-1 Saturn V Moon rocket engines of Apollo. But he's also a full Gestapo Nazi, and he had killed . . . he was responsible for tens of thousands of deaths at Mittelwerk, Nordhausen, where they had built the V-2 rockets.

And von Braun told me, if he'd ever show up in anything I'm doing, you are in such trouble . . .

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: . . . because this guy will take command. So at least I knew who he was, and I could tell Colonel Williams knew who he was, and the Colonel wasn't happy.

So he come walking over to me. And I went, “Hi, my name's David. What's your name?”

He wouldn't answer. Oh he said, “Oh, I'm just a guy who goes around looking at hardware for the military. I understand you got a different kind of rocket here.”

I said, “Yeah. You want to see it?”

And he says, “Sure.”

So I take him over to it, and he gets on the opposite side of me. The rocket's between us.

And he said, “Can you open it up and let me see?”

I said, “Sure.”

So I take a big block of metal in my hand and run it down the hull, and the panel lifts up and slides over.

And he's looking at my hand and that block of metal, and he goes, “What is that?”

And I go, “It's called a dissimilar metal lock.” I went, “It's old. It's World War II technology. You don't have one of these?”

He got mad on that one. And I guess I may have insulted him.

But apparently, he didn't know anything about it.

He said, “That's pretty advanced.”

And I thought, “It's old stuff. It's not advanced.”

So he sticks his head down into the engine area. And I thought, “This would be a good time to say something to him.” Ha, ha.

So I lean over, and I was saying to his ear while he was looking down, I said, “This engine has about a million times the power of the F-1 Saturn V Moon rocket engines, Dr. Rudolph.” Man, he . . .

Wilcock: Which he made.

Adair: Oh, man. He raised up . . . and I'd never seen anybody get that red before. I mean, he looked like a barber pole.

Wilcock: Ha, ha.

Adair: And he looked at me and goes, “Who ARE you?”

And I go, “I'm just a kid that launches rockets in cow fields over here in Ohio.”

And then things just went south from there. He took over completely. He took over the launch. He had me reprogram the off-the-shelf navigation to an area about 456 miles, if I remember right, northwest of us.

Anyway, he dropped it in a place called Groom Lake, Nevada. And I guess y'all call it today, Area 51.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: I never heard of Area 51 in 1971. Just Groom Lake's all I knew.

Wilcock: So what happened when you got it to Groom Lake?

Adair: Well, once it got out of White Sands and it launched . . . I was curious about Groom Lake, so I pulled geophysical maps, and it says it's just a big dry lake bed.

And I said, “You see this black DC-9's got rubber tires, you gonna warp it's belly in this dry lake.”

He tells me, “Shut up and get on the plane.”

Well, he's got a good reason, because when we get there, it's big runways. It's an Air Force Base. It's not on my maps.

Well, we kind of circled the base at first, and we saw Pitholem laying out on the desert floor.

Wilcock: And that's your rocket.

Adair: Exactly where they wanted it. That's the only compliment I think I ever got from Rudolph.

He said, “You landed it precisely on mark.”

And I thought, “Yeah. Well, good.”

Wilcock: The rocket could land?

Adair: On the sides of the rocket, I built these big slip-slide containers that have parachutes. These two parachutes came out, and these parachutes are tank parachutes, 70-ton tank.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: So the rocket landed just like a feather. There's no damage. It's perfect . . .

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: . . . just laying on the desert floor, parachutes blowing around it.

So anyway, we land. We taxi over to it. There were three hangars, I remember. And there was a lot of construction going on. This is June 20, 1971, and there's construction all over this base, runways, everywhere.

So we go to the center hangar, and I thought, man, this is really strange. None of this is on my maps, and these are government maps.

Wilcock: Ha, ha, ha.

Adair: I thought, “What the hell is this?”

So anyway, we get off. We get in these funny-looking go-cart things, big ones, really big, carrying like 10, 12 people.

And being in science, and oriented in engineering, I'm looking at these golf cars, and I go, “What the hell is running these things? It's not propane tanks. It's not electric.”

It's got a big intake that some kind of light recessed inside gets brighter when it runs. Then when it slows down, the light dims down.

Wilcock: Did it have any exhaust?

Adair: No. And it only made a strange . . . like a whine.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: Kind of like a spooling effect, like a turbine. I have no idea what . . . And even today, I have no idea what those things were about, but they were fast.

You know, golf carts only go like 10~15 miles an hour. These things did 60~70 miles an hour.

So he says, “Get on this thing,” and I did, and we rode into the center hangar. And we stopped, and we're setting there. And then these yellow caution lights start flashing at all the doors.

Then out of the floor comes these little pipes with chains hooked to each part, so a guardrail's coming up. And I thought, “What is that for? They don't want people walking in this building.”

Well, we got the answer pretty quick. The floor of this hangar is bigger than a gymnasium. The entire floor goes down. It's an elevator.

And I thought, “Man, that big elevator, and with a concrete floor like that, there's got to be 100 tons of concrete here.”

And I thought, “Man, you can't be using chains or cable moving something this heavy.” Sure enough, they weren't.

After we got down below the floor, you can see them spin, about 12 of them, spinning in the walls. They're worm gears. That's the heaviest load-bearing gear we ever know of. Each one was bigger than a sequoia tree.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And I thought about that. I thought, “Where'd they cast and manufacture those things at?” Just amazing.

We went down, and I was so . . .

Wilcock: So it could hold a spectacular amount of weight.

Adair: Absolutely. I mean, you could drag an aircraft carrier in there and drop this thing.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: So whatever they're moving is really heavy.

So we drop down. We go down, and I'm counting feet and estimate we're about 200 feet down, and we flush out with the floor. And man, what you see next is nuts.

You're looking straight forward. The other three walls are solid, so you're looking one way only.

You're look at this . . . it's like Mammoth Cave, if you've ever been in that thing.

Wilcock: Oh, I have been. In Kentucky.

Adair: Yeah, that cavern thing?

Wilcock: Yeah, it's huge.

9 Mammoth Cave

Adair: It's like that, but this is about 10 times the size of it.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: It goes down, I guess, from the floor to the top of the arc is probably 100 feet. That's a lot. And then it comes down to the sides and goes straight down, canters down, and then it's perpendicular walls.

In these walls are all these shops and hangar bays and offices. And you see people working in the office. And we're just getting it on this go-cart thing.

And we go past all these hangar doors every once in a while, and some of the hangar doors are open partially.

And man, I saw some things in there I just can't explain. There was some really unusual craft. I can't tell if they were aircraft or spacecrafts.

[We] went on down further, and there was another thing over in the hangar, and it was open a little bit wider.

Man, this thing was a moose of an aircraft. It looked like a XB-70, the Valkyrie, but it had some different canards and different air intakes. So it's something else.

Now the first Valkyrie was destroyed in a crash. It sucked up a camera plane in its tail.

The second one was in a museum, the Air Force museum at Wright-Patterson.

10 XB 70 AFB Museum Wright Patterson

So what was this thing setting here?

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: And once again, it had all kinds of things hooked up to it and drip pans. Now, this thing's running. I don't know what it's doing.

So we went on down – went on down about a quarter of a mile. And this causeway, the main corridor, it went clear out of sight as far as the human eye could see. And it would curve with the curvature of the Earth.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: I mean, it's just enormous. So we're riding, and I just asked the guy a very simple question, “Wow, what did y'all do with all the dirt?” And they got so mad about that.

And I thought, why would a question about dirt bother him?

And I just made another off comment. I said, “What did you use, a phaser?” And they got REALLY mad then.

I thought, “[i] stepping on nerves here.” And I thought, “What is going on with this place?”

Wilcock: How fast do you think this golf-cart was going right now?

Adair: Doing about 50 [mph].

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: So we're covering a lot of area.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: And you still don't see the end of this thing.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: But here's where it gets good. Now that I'm kind of calming down from . . . I didn't know there was anything underground.

I was leaning out, just to look around the people sitting in front of me so I could look further, right? And I noticed when I stuck out my arm, there's no shadows anywhere. Like a paint booth. Can't have a shadow because you'll get a run in the paint. You can't see it.

But here's the problem. I can't find any light fixtures. None. No indirect lighting, no direct light, just no lighting fixtures.

Perfectly illuminated, and I have no idea even today how in God's name did you do that?

I have thought that it might be atmosphere. But how do you illuminate an atmosphere? You're breathing your own light?

Wilcock: Did it look any brighter near the ceiling? Or was it just evenly illuminated?

Adair: Evenly illuminated. Perfect. Illumination right down in the corners, which you'll have . . .

Wilcock: Very strange.

Adair: Yeah, that's a word for it.

Wilcock: Now, so you're driving down this hall, and the whole entire time, you're going at 50 miles an hour. You're just seeing offices, offices, offices?

Adair: Yeah.

Wilcock: And hangar doors with craft in them . . .

Adair: Yeah.

Wilcock: . . . and all this kind of stuff?

Adair: Yeah! Yeah! And some doors are . . .

Wilcock: So there must have been hundreds or maybe even thousands of them.

Adair: Maybe, if we didn't keep on driving. Like, we only went like a quarter mile.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: But it gets stranger. If things aren't weird enough, no shadows, perfect illumination, gigantic cavern I didn't even know was there, all these hangar bays, and most of them were closed tight. So God knows what was behind them.

Wilcock: Right. And how bizarre it is that you're asking simple questions, and they're getting all angry.

Adair: Yeah, and I mean REALLY angry. I was about to say to them, “Calm down! Gee! God! I'm just asking.”

And we come up . . . This is where it gets . . . If it's not strange enough, imagine this.

We pull up on the left hand side. There's this iris, like a camera.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: About 40 feet in diameter.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: That is huge, y'all. We stop, driver gets out, runs over to this glass panel, puts his hand down. And he looks in this scope thing, and then there's a flash, and the iris opens up.

And when the iris opens completely, another, from horizontal, panel comes by to fill in the gap so we can drive across it.

Wilcock: So this was like a retinal scan that he had?

Adair: Yeah, I was sitting there going, “What is . . . Did I . . . Is that a retinal scanner and a palm scanner? We don't have anything like that.” This is 1971.

We don't have . . . no PCs, no faxes, no modems, no cell phones, no laptops.

Wilcock: Sure.

Adair: We didn't have a handheld calculator from Texas Instruments. That's a few years off.

Wilcock: Right.

Adair: And you're telling me this guy's got a retina scanner and a palm scanner on a wall that opens this giant iris door? Which I ain't never seen an iris THAT big.

So I'm going, “Man, what's going on with this place? They're packing technology like I've never seen.”

And so we go into this big gymnasium-sized room, and it's dark. Here comes the lights.

Wilcock: Let me just ask one question, though. Do you think that iris might be that they would have that instead of a regular door in case something inside exploded, and they needed to contain an explosive force?

Adair: Well, that or security.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: They surely didn't want you just walking in there, slide a door open and walk in. You ain't sliding an iris open.

Wilcock: Right, that's true.

Adair: So whatever . . . [The] first impression I got, “Man, there's something really super-duper behind this door they don't want to have anybody just walking in seeing.”

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: So we drive in, and the lights come up.

I thought, “All right, I'm going to find a light fixture.” I'm looking everywhere – no light fixtures. [It] comes on like a rheostat. [It] comes all the way to full luminosity to match what's out in the causeway.

And I'm going, “God, how do they do that? I'd give anything to know how you do that.”

So we pull up to a stop, and at the far end of the room, this big giant steel platform, like a stage. And then there's something up on the stage, but there's this giant curtain hanging down around it, which is not a material curtain, like cloth. It's like mudflaps off a semi, but as big as this curtain is. It weighed tons.

Wilcock: You're saying “giant”, but could you be a little more specific about the platform and the curtain?

Adair: Yeah. I would say just the curtain itself was over 100 feet wide.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And it stood probably 25 feet tall.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: That's big.

Wilcock: So something big is behind there.

Adair: You better believe it. And there's cables that run up to the ceiling, and they just disappear into darkness.

Wilcock: Hm.

Adair: God knows what's up in there. I don't even want to know at this point.

So anyway, they raise the curtain. We get out of the cart. We're all standing there. They raise the curtain, and I was so disappointed.

I thought I was ahead of everybody, electromagnetic fusion containment engine setting up on the desert floor, right?

This curtain rises . . . Think of an 18-wheel semi with big sleeper cab. That's about 70-feet wide.

Wilcock: Yeah.

Adair: Or long.

Wilcock: 70-feet long.

Adair: About 70-feet long, 25-feet wide, 15-feet tall. It's an electromagnetic fusion containment engine THAT BIG!

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And I'm setting there, going . . . I had mixed emotions. I was disappointed, but I was just thrilled. Like, good God, mine is only about 2½ -feet long, and this thing is just a monster.

Wilcock: Let me ask you a question then. Do you think that when LeMay saw the original 93-page notebook that your mother showed him, that he was seeing blueprints that you were making that looked similar to this very valuable object that they had in Area 51?

Adair: I think Battelle did.

Wilcock: Okay.

Adair: You know, Battelle Memorial, in 1971, they had 137 Nobel laureates on staff.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: It's a powerhouse. Well, a group of them figured it out, looking at the math. And they can tell by the math which direction or shape you're taking in physical form.

And so I would imagine that somebody in that group knew about this thing, or made LeMay know of it. But to be humble, I was very humbled at the moment, because I had a Model A, and they had a Lamborghini.

Wilcock: Wow!

Adair: And even though the Model A and the Lamborghini are so different in powers, both of them are internal combustion engines, okay? They got some similarities.

Wilcock: Was there a color? What color would you say it was?

Adair: It had an aqua color, like ocean blue-green – really pretty. And it had a sheen to it. But unlike mine, this big one had an ectoskeleton structure over it, which I thought, “That is so weird”.

And it looked very much similar. It looked like HR Giger's work.

11 Alien 1979

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: Yeah. And I thought, “Man, what is this?” Well, I had to ask. [i] looked at Rudolph, “Is this thing a machine or is it organic?” I can't . . . Because the ectoskeleton structure looked like bone.

Wilcock: Really?

Adair: And I'm setting there going, “Man, all I can say, that's alien-looking!”

Wilcock: Okay. If you say it looked like bone, and it was an ectoskeleton, would it be something that had a regular matrix structure, like chicken wire? Or did it have certain areas that were thicker, certain areas that were thinner? Were there dendrites?

Adair: Well, you know how bones start off thicker at the spinal column, like a breath cage.

Wilcock: Oh.

Adair: And it's breath caging all around. It's really protected well.

And there was steps leading up to the platform where it's setting.

Wilcock: In the bone?

Adair: No, we're back at the platform.

Wilcock: Oh, okay.

Adair: I turn around and ask Rudolph, “Can I go up the stairs and onto the platform and get close to this thing?” Air Force people say, “No!” Rudolph says, “Yes.”

And he's obviously in charge, because they just got quiet.

So I went up the steps, walked up to this thing, and that's when the weird stuff really started. You think weird now, it's going to get more weird.

First thing I noticed, my shadow's on it. And what I've been seeing through the whole thing, there's no shadows anywhere.

Wilcock: No shadows.

Adair: So I'm spinning around, looking everywhere, and I see no light fixtures.

Okay, we got luminosity with no light fixtures and no shadows. Now we got a thing sitting here that's got my shadow on it. Of course, normal down here.

And I noticed something else. As big as it is, on my device, I had probably five miles of wiring, screws nuts, bolts, well-aligned seams and all this stuff.

This dang thing, as big as it was, not one screw, rivet, weld line, seam. It looked like it grew, like an eggplant.

And I went . . . I was just dying to turn around and say to him, “How the hell'd you build this thing?”

And I figured I already got enough trouble asking about dirt. They'd really go nuts on that one.

Wilcock: If you say it's aqua blue, did it have . . . In terms of its specularity, was it glossy? Was it flat? Did it have a kind of an aluminum look? Was there particles in it?

Adair: Different areas – the bone ectoskeleton structure, that was flat. The big round spheres, which in my engine would be cyclotrons, they were like the aqua color, but they were smooth.

And when I walked up to it, I noticed my shadow, right? And so I go like this [raising his arms up], my shadow is just a split second behind me.

Wilcock: That's weird.

Adair: I was just . . . I'm watching it, and I turned around and looked at Rudolph, and he was happy. I could tell. Like, “Uh-huh, you're getting on and picking this up, are you?”

And I look at him, and he and I are the only one really eye connecting. Military people are like a different world.

So I just went, “Is this heat recognition alloy?” It's picking up the heat radiation off of me, and then reflecting it on the hull.

And I thought, “God, that's pretty cool.”

Wilcock: Well, I hate to stop you right there, but we have to make episodes.

Adair: Yeah.

Wilcock: So that's all the time we have for in this episode. It's very fascinating. Sorry for the cliffhanger. But we're going to be back with more with David Adair, our special guest here on “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm David Wilcock, and I want to thank you for watching.


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