Season 9, Episode 9
David Wilcock: All right. Welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I'm here with Emery Smith.
So we were talking about this concept that you weren't that surprised by the idea of very elaborate genetic hybrids being made by our government, even at the beginning of this time that you spent at Sandia Labs inside Los Alamos.
So I kind of feel like there's something missing here. How much had you been briefed on genetic hybridization programs before you ever started this particular job with these so-called “salmon filets”?
Emery Smith: Yeah, I was not, actually. I was a very low-classified individual at that time. So it actually didn't happen 'til about a year or two later, where because of what I was dissecting, or whatever, led to other briefings that led to other briefings, because a lot of these beings were connected to ships.
And when I got pulled into that, then I was pulled into other things that had to do with hybridization, because I was actually told once that one of the samples WAS a hybrid, and that's how I knew they were doing hybridization.
They didn't hide it that time and during the briefing, . . .
Emery: . . . and it was a group briefing, so it was exposed.
David: And what was this sample? What was it a hybrid of? What did it look like?
Emery: It was kind of like a tiger. It was a tiger-type, human-type being.
Emery: Yeah. The DNA had a fur on it. It was very humanoid and only stood about five feet tall.
And it was very . . . The way it looked was very dismantled. It was not correctly how you would think you would see something like in a movie or something where it has the perfect eye set - the nose is perfectly aligned. It was dysmorphed very, very horribly.
And I don't know . . . I cannot tell you what DNA were used to make this creature. I could just tell you what it looked like. You understand what I'm saying?
It had the aspects of a cat face like a tiger, and it had very large green eyes. And it had whiskers, and the body was very small and very frail. And it had just regular fur.
David: Well, we have seen cases of people trying to breed lions and tigers together and different types of things. And I remember noticing that in some of those cases, those animals have this kind of disabled look.
They get these strange deformities to their faces . . .
Emery: Right, I heard about this.
David: . . . and things like this.
David: So, do you think this was a failed prototype idea of some kind?
Emery: Yes, absolutely. I think it was a total failed prototype, because I don't know what that would serve – what they were doing.
I think they were just trying . . . which they have already been doing for many years I know before I even came along because of some of the things that were released to me later on in the projects. They were mixing all sorts of DNA with human DNA, including plant DNA, and mammal DNA from other mammals from the oceans and sea.
David: What do you think this tiger being could have been used for? I mean, I know it's speculation.
Emery: Well, speculation for me: total military type, operative-type, super-soldier-type programs. Just as in the old days, they would . . . and the Roman Empire have mastiffs, hundreds of them.
They found hundreds of mass graves at big sites where they would be running alongside the horses, and the mastiffs would jump on the people, and the horsemen would spear the guys. They were just used to knock down people.
So this was probably used to - maybe some future war or something – to release all these crazy hybrid-killing machines instead of using humans, of course. first . . .
Emery: . . . and THEN send in the humans. Or send in . . . Of course, probably in the future, I'm sure it's going to be mostly clones and drones that will be . . . The war will be fought inside a computer room.
David: I kind of asked you this before, but I'm curious to get it in a little more detail.
You said something about that the clone might have memories loaded into its mind . . .
David: . . . so that it believes that it has an identity that's lived for however many years?
Emery: Yeah. They can program the brain, because the brain is just not its own brain. It does have modulation to it using very, very small sensors, and . . . how can you say this . . . wiring.
Emery: Yeah, implants, that stimulate certain parts of the brain.
Emery: And they can also download it and make you believe that you are Marilyn Monroe or you are David Wilcock, or you are whoever, and this is actually what has happened to you in the past 25 years.
And you just wake up in a bed one day going to work, or someone's picking you up, and that's all you will know.
David: Is it possible to store someone's memories and personality on a hard drive actually as a data storage?
Emery: I haven't seen that. I get that question asked a lot, because of the movies out there - “Avatar” - and thinks like that, the consciousness.
Emery: But I have not seen that, because you would have to have the DNA. All I know is that you can only do it if they have your DNA, because the DNA IS EVERYTHING enfolded within the universe, including your specific matching prototype of who you are and all the conscious experiences you have.
So I'm sure by now they probably have something that can store your DNA for a very, very long period of time without damaging that part of it that keeps the conscious memory implanted into it.
David: One of my other insiders reported working at a base which seemed to be Area 51, though he wouldn't say that. I think maybe at one point he did. He said “S4”, which is Area 51.
And he reported that they had a dog that was, I guess, a desert dog that showed up, and the dog started to have certain quirks and certain tricks that it learned.
And then the dog died, and they cloned it because they liked the dog so much they wanted it back.
And they discovered that each clone had the memories of the preceding dog as well. And so, it was as if . . . they started to conclude that the DNA was simply some physical address for an energetic consciousness that superseded DNA.
What are your thoughts on that?
Emery: No, I agree with that. The DNA is just our 3D interpretation of the energy that is you. So the light body, I believe, and all that, is stored.
We call it DNA because it's what we're taught in science, but really, it's in the field of that molecule or whatever you want to call it – a tetrahedron, or however, . . .
Emery: . . . what your belief system is.
Emery: So I do agree it is an energetic thing.
David: So he referred to the DNA, and they apparently refer to it, as like a tuning fork . . .
David: . . . that it tunes in this energetic aspect of yourself.
Emery: Right. It's a radio. That's correct. It's a type of a device, kind of.
David: So how does that interplay with programmed memories? How could they give you a memory that you didn't really have? Or is it more that they can make the clone THINK that it's you and access your own data bank of memory?
Emery: Yeah, they have a . . . I wasn't part of that program, but they do have something that does exactly what you just said. It somehow gives that DNA or that energy frequency.
Like when you talk about the morphogenic field: everyone's everywhere, everything is everything. So that energy somehow . . . You know, if I want to believe . . . If I have an affinity to be you, I will believe I'm you, and I AM you, because we're each other. We're everywhere.
And what happens is I think they have somehow, someway, found a way to change that memory of who you were in the DNA using that exact thing you said: a frequency in this field.
And that's just my speculation.
David: I did hear from my Secret Space Program insider, Jacob, who is very deeply involved on many, many levels, claims to have been to, I believe he said, over 2,000 off-planet locations through portals he claims that he went to. And he was very credible.
He said at one point that certain elite people could have . . . There is apparently a machine they have where they can download your personality and consciousness into a younger version of yourself, that you can be transferred . . .
David: . . . from one body to another as your main host body. Do you know anything about that?
Emery: I do not know anything about that, but I have seen them do that with other beings.
Emery: Yeah. So I'm assuming 100% they can do that just through some of the briefings I've been in on of similar consciousness movement of what you call this downloading of your own personality field.
And so there's no doubt in my mind. I believe that is true, but I have not seen that.
David: What is the reason for why these cloned beings seem to have a shorter lifespan?
Emery: I think any time you take any type of cell . . . like we have problems with stem cells right now. When you take them and you multiply them, there is a couple of them that come out not too well.
So the more you do it, sometimes you have a little bit more problems with the cells being mutatious. They start mutating into different things, not what we thought they were going to be.
So there must be something in the field that only allows us to maybe . . . or we just haven't perfected it here yet, because I know it's been perfected up there.
So I think it has something to do with that. Maybe it's not supposed to be done, and that there's an unhealthier clone every time you clone someone – when you do it that way.
David: If we go back to some of the vintage whistleblowers like Bill Uhouse, it appears that from whoever, and it might be the Cabal, a narrative was presented with the idea that the Greys are humans from the future who had their population greatly reduced after a catastrophe, and that they now have been cloning themselves. And it's like multiple photocopies, it starts to get damaged, that this funny thing they do is diabetic neuropathy.
It's the neuropathy from genetic cloning, and that they're coming back to do these abductions to try to bolster their genetic stock.
Why do you think that kind of a narrative would be created if it's not true? What would be the objective there?
Emery: I couldn't comment on that, because I don't know of this exact story.
Emery: I could just tell you that if they're real extraterrestrials and they're cloning each other, they're probably pretty perfect specimens. And they would have already figured out how to fix those mutations 100%.
If they're not real specimens, and they were escaped hybrids that formed their own . . .
Emery: . . . and got smart enough to learn and form their own civilization up there and want to take over Earth or something, then that would be a possibility that they're failing.
David: We have seen a lot of reports, if you go back again into more vintage ufology, of people describing something called a “neonate”. And that is where, if a fetus is allowed to develop without the pressure of the womb around it, that the head will largely increase in size, and you will end up with a being that will retain fetal proportions into adulthood, which is exactly what a Grey looks like.
So some ufologists have speculated that Greys could be humans that simply have been grown in some kind of a vat or a tube instead of in a womb. What are your thoughts on that?
Emery: Yeah, it is a possibility. A lot of these extraterrestrials could have hybrid human DNA in them for sure and vice versa.
So I definitely believe in that, because it's been done. It's been done.
David: Were you aware of any other being like the tiger-human hybrid that was a hybrid program that you were directly briefed on or allowed to see a specimen of?
Emery: No. Other than that, there was one that was kind of like a manatee-type version.
Emery: Yeah, a manatee-type, walrus-type, seal-type phenotype there that they were utilizing that had a very, very weird look to it. [It] also was disproportionate and was dead upon seeing it.
I believe that was part of a project where they were mixing mammalian with human DNA.
I don't know what they were going to do with it, but it looked like a manatee but upright with arms and hands.
David: Well, just to follow on that for a second, are you familiar with there being any bases that our government or the Cabal might have that would be under the ocean?
David: And how would that work based on what you know? How would you build a base at the bottom of the ocean, let's say?
Emery: Well, there's bases that were already there that they took over that have been here for millions of years that were already functional, and they found these bases in different parts and different areas.
And most of the bases are not just like bubbles on the bottom of an ocean. They're actually under the ocean's crust.
Emery: So that's how they really bore in there. And they build it from underneath up. They don't go down from the surface of the ocean with a bunch of two-by-fours and steel parts.
It's a very complex, very advanced way to make an underground sea lab.
Sea labs exist all over the world.
David: That's what it's called: a sea lab?
Emery: Sea labs, yeah, are all over the world.
Emery: Very small. You might see a small one on the bottom of the ocean, but underneath that is really where the base is.
Emery: It's underneath the crust of the bottom of the ocean and the rock.
David: So by digging down first and then working from the bottom up, does that prevent against erosion and cataclysms and that kind of thing?
Emery: I think it's probably the safest way to do it without being noticed.
David: Ah, right.
Emery: You know, it's a secrecy thing. After what happened many, many years ago with the Taos Hums, they were worried that people were catching on with what they were doing with making these tunnels, but now they're using a different type of technique.
Of course, as you know, they make big lava tubes and melt rock, and they don't use the old-fashioned drills. You see these pictures of these ancient drill bits that are like 150' in diameter.
Emery: That's old school.
David: Some skeptics might say that we barely even have the ability to get any submarine that far down. The pressure would crush any type of technology.
So how have they overcome those limitations of the pressure?
Emery: Oh, no. They don't use submarines. They use our own alien reproduction vehicles.
We form our own gravitational force. We're inside our own gravity field, so we cannot get crushed.
We form . . . That's why you can go to space, and that's why you see some of these UFOs and these other ones just go right into the water and keep going, because they're in their own environment and their own gravity. So it would be easy for them to transport people or equipment or whatnot.
But they always have a direct link to these tunnels is what it's all about, and there's many tunnels all around the world.
David: And there's pressure that . . . They can generate enough gravity that they can easily counteract the pressure of the ocean?
Emery: Oh, absolutely. Of course, they can transdimensionally change the size of themselves.
David: Like how would that work?
Emery: Well, they kind of dematerialize, but you're still there but you're just out of this frequency just a hair, so you don't fall under the laws of the science of this planet.
Emery: And that is for every other planet. That's why they can go anywhere. They can go right through the Earth.
You can fly right . . . In the craft, I'm going towards the tree, because that's where I want to go. And as soon as I see the tree, the craft changes interdimensionally. It can shrink itself or change its frequency just a little bit different so the structure of it will just go through it or around it. And that's exactly how they do it.
David: Do you think that these manatee people could possibly have been bred to be able to do work in the ocean?
Emery: No. I think they were . . . that was just a scientific experiment gone bad. I think they were trying to . . . They were probably looking at other more intelligent mammals, but they were starting with different ones. I don't know why they picked that. I couldn't even tell you.
I've been saying what it looked like. I don't know if it was manatee DNA. I'm just hypothesizing because of the way it looked – like this type of face and the skin, and it was very interesting.
Now, there are dolphin-like extraterrestrial-type people that have evolved beyond us that have come back and dropped off their lineage of dolphins here.
David: It does seem interesting to me, Emery, that in the early, early maritime era, there were sightings of people claiming that they saw human aquatic hybrids of some kind.
And that almost universally is written off as if the sailors were just drinking or something . . .
David: . . . or that “Oh, they saw manatees”.
David: But yet, you've seen line art illustrations of people who drew these things from the craft. And you see, for example, a being that has a human face, but it almost has flippers coming out for arms and flippers coming out for legs, almost like it's a scaly type of thing as well.
David: So do you think that maybe at that early era before we really started to explore the oceans that these ETs had more free will to be in our oceans without violating our free will?
Emery: Yes, yes. I believe many thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago that there was a race of extraterrestrials that lived in the ocean and have maybe even migrated into Inner Earth oceans now.
Emery: We refer to them as the “Aquifarians”, . . .
Emery: . . . and they come from another water planet. And there actually are many different water planets.
I'm not sure too much more than that about them, or how they live or anything, but I just know about that because I have seen some briefings of this race, and I've also physically seen things in the ocean that resemble these types of beings.
David: Hm! Wow! What exactly does it look like? Could you be a little more specific?
Emery: Yeah, it looks like you said. It's a human form, and it's fishy. And it's [got] a very beautiful face with long, long hair.
There are men and women of these types of beings, and they can walk. They're not like the mermaids we see with these fins, but they do have fins on the outside of the body, kind of like a cuttlefish.
You know what a cuttlefish is?
Emery: They have these fins around the outside of the body that allow them to propel themselves very, very fast. And they're very strong, and they're very tall beings.
David: Well, one of the things that is very interesting to bring up here. Having traveled in Japan for 3-½ weeks, there are very, very extensive records of a being called a “Kappa” - K-A-P-P-A.
And this is essentially an aquatic humanoid. It's intelligent. It can speak our language. And they would actually abduct and kill children, so children were always warned not to go near the water because of the Kappa.
But sometimes the Kappa would come out, and they would taunt people. They would talk to them. They would make jokes. They would make rude noises.
And the other strange thing about the Kappa – just to finish this off – is that apparently – and this is very consistent of all Japanese reports – that they had this indentation on the top of their head about one cup size, and that they needed to have water in it.
And that if the water fell out . . . Like if you could convince them to bow down like this [David bows] and the water comes out, they would actually die very quickly if they couldn't get back to the water.
David: This is a widespread Japanese legend.
David: So what do you think the Kappa might be, just speculating?
Emery: You're talking ancient times, correct, because . . .
David: Not really.
Emery: No? Because this . . .
David: Maybe only a few hundred years ago.
Emery: Yes, because this definitely sounds like a kind of hybrid-gone-wrong-type situation because of the water . . . what you mentioned about the water.
There's many things that they make to try to live on the Earth, but when you start mixing DNA, especially with aquatics, it doesn't work out too well because of the oxygen and the water that these beings need to survive.
You know how fish have gills and sharks and whatnot? And they rely more on these other animals that can gulp air and hold their breaths for 24 hours, you know, . . .
Emery: . . . like certain kinds of catfish and salamanders and whatnot.
So I think I don't know anything about that story, but it does ring some bells on some other projects that have gone wrong as far as trying to keep beings that they make be able to be in the water AND land. That's the super-soldier being: to be able to go there, to be able to survive the vacuum of space like some organisms we have here, and to be able to survive on its own without help, but to be able to be controlled.
David: Do you think that there are Earth-like planets that are water worlds that don't have land that comes above the surface, and the whole planet is an ocean basically?
Emery: I believe in that definitely, yes.
David: Okay. So is it possible that a humanoid intelligent species could evolve on that planet by evolving in the ocean?
Emery: Absolutely, yes.
David: Now, the funny part was that I've watched some scientists speculate on this. And they said, “Well, intelligent life couldn't form in an ocean because they'd have to be able to make fire, . . .
Emery: Ha, ha, ha.
David: . . . and they couldn't burn anything in the water.”
Emery: That's pretty ignorant.
David: Ha, ha, ha.
Emery: We have a lot of species here that are living quite fine that are more conscious than we are.
Just because we can't communicate with them doesn't mean we should alienate them, just like dolphins.
Emery: I mean, their brains are a little bit bigger than ours. And that's the whole thing with everything else is about communication.
It's so said that just because we can't communicate with someone that we have our differences, or we make them look like they're smaller than we are. That's something that needs to go.
David: Why do you think the Kappa might have died if the water fell out of this little cup in its head – this cup-shaped indentation?
Emery: I would say it has to do with voltage, because of how the salt water of the body can't have a special voltage. And I think he needs the voltage to keep running in the body.
Emery: I don't believe it has anything to do with breathing or anything else, because they would not have risked that to come upon the shore.
Emery: But that voltage . . . Because every living creature gives off a type of voltage or a frequency, and it's alive.
David: Now, we've heard a lot of reports about the Philadelphia Experiment. And then when you get into the scientist Gerry Vassilatos, he reported that at Norfolk Naval Shipyard they were doing these major welding operations for battleships around World War II.
And that when they did the arc welding, they would see this huge flash of light, and then all the power would go off. And they couldn't understand why this was happening.
And eventually, they do a high-speed film, and they found that this hole would appear – like a black hole – and tools and objects would be flying into the hole before the power shut down.
And this, apparently, was what led to the development of the Philadelphia Experiment, where allegedly a ship was transported from Virginia up to around Philadelphia – hence “Philadelphia Experiment” - and then back to Virginia.
Are we looking at, do you think, an early prototype example of what later became a portal technology where all the kinks got smoothed out? Is that what the Philadelphia Experiment might be?
Emery: Portals exist. There's a lot of science into portals that we have done without using certain Earth grid points.
As far as that specific, I would have to know a little bit more information of what they were using to weld and a lot of the energy going into that and the fields of electromagnetic energy.
David: It was very, very high voltage electrostatic welding.
Emery: Perfect. Well, that's what you need to do that. So it could very possibly be that that's how they were teletransported to the other side or had a device to do that.
David: Why do you think the soldiers ended up getting embedded in the hull of the ship as was reported? What might have caused that to happen?
Emery: Oh, just a glitch in the system. It happens all the time. We lose lots of people in portals.
Emery: We haven't mastered it very well.
David: We still haven't mastered it very well?
Emery: No, we have not.
Emery: It works. We've done it, but it's not 100% safe.
Emery: But nothing is, like driving a car.
David: So another thing that you told me that I thought was really interesting – and I feel like it's a good time to touch on this – is you mentioned to me in private conversation that the locations of where we chose to build military bases might not be totally arbitrary.
What are some of the hidden reasons for why certain bases are where they are?
Emery: Well, not all the bases, but a few bases, like I told you earlier, were built on certain grid points on the planet because they were built on top of other ancient bases that were there.
Emery: And some of those ancient bases already had working energy devices and alien craft and portals.
David: Hm. So they would literally be able to just dig right down into that base and re-occupy it?
Emery: Well, not re-occupy it, but study it and reverse engineer it. And, of course, if they were building certain portals or certain other devices, they would make sure it was put on that same grid point or try to activate certain portals that are there.
In the early years, you know, in the '40s, '50s, they were . . . when they had a lot of bases going out west and stuff and exploring things using special radars to look underneath the Earth, which have been improved today, they would pick these specific points.
And this is where they would set up labs. Like Sandia Labs is actually on Kirtland Air Force Base; Los Alamos Labs is north of that, but they're all connected.
So I do believe around the world, not just here, but also military bases in other countries, after looking at them and lining them all up, DO fall on interesting grid points. And there have been many spectacles of different phenomena that comes out of these bases that are witnessed by civilians in these specific points.
David: So you're saying, then, that in certain cases a military base might be built over a wrecked extraterrestrial vehicle that's underground somewhere?
Emery: Absolutely, or a base that has already been there from ancient times or from extraterrestrials that abandoned it.
David: This does line up with some other intel that we got from other folks.
So are there certain cases where the craft itself would be very large – like very unusually large?
Emery: VERY large, absolutely.
Emery: I mean, Kirtland Air Force Base is the fifth largest land base in the world, and you have to look at a lot of different parameters when you're trying to associate and balance all the different bases. And if you're really into this kind of thing . . .
And, you know, there's craft that are very, very, very, very large that's stuck in the crust of our Earth. And I've seen the photos. We use a very special type of radar that's classified that's 400 times more greater resolution than a CAT scan.
Emery: And it has a backflow of frequency energy that measures the time of how that frequency comes back to tell us exactly what it was to build a volumetric image.
David: Yeah, and you actually showed me some of that. It's probably not for public distribution, but you showed me some very, very interesting stuff at one point of what appears to be an underground site that is definitely not known to the public.
Emery: Yes. Right. Some of these craft can be anywhere from 8' wide to 33 miles long.
Some of the structures underneath the ground could be just as big – 10 times larger than the Giza pyramids.
David: But are pyramids in some cases?
Emery: Right, . . . Yep, in that kind of shape.
Emery: Or reverse pyramids, like tetrahedrons – one on the other going backwards.
Emery: Yeah, very amazing shapes and very deep in the Earth and with many things inside them.
David: So let's say we have, as one example, a 33-mile-wide craft underground.
David: How many staff might be dedicated to exploring just that one thing, and for how long might that have been happening if you say an entire base is built there where the good stuff is?
Emery: It could take many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years for that to . . . It's not like you just break into a tomb, and there's the mummy, and okay, and everyone just pillages it or whatever.
They're very careful with it. And just like in Antarctica with what's going on down there, it would take a team to probably research that kind of base – I'll say it's a craft; I'll say base underground – depending on how many parameters: like how deep it is, what kind of rock is in it, how we're going to get there.
The biggest thing they'll do first is all this volumetric imaging. And then they'll plan out, and they'll recreate it on the Earth first.
So they'll actually map whatever they see and make a model of it, exact spec, on top of the Earth, or under a ground base where they can do this secretly, to see exactly what's there.
And then, of course, it's not going to be . . . So when the team goes . . . Now they're using virtual reality to do it.
So when the team goes in, they know where they're at inside this area of the craft or whatnot. You know, is there still energy there on the craft? Is it still on?
Is there beings there? If they are, are they alive, or are they in a cryo state?
These are the things that they do. So they're very, very specific about . . . before going in and just digging everything up. It's not like this general saying, “Get in there and just dig this sucker . . . Get all the backhoes and do it.”
It's more like . . . It's very calm. “Let's figure this out first. This is very dangerous. We don't know what we're getting into.”
You know, you have to understand there might be microbes in there that come out and infect the entire planet, so vacuum tunnels have to be made with negative pressure air systems and stuff.
So it's a very dynamic and a very huge undertaking. It could take 20, 50, 100 years to do a project like that with all those parameters I said that are involved.
David: Well, I would be remiss to end this episode without just asking this quickly, which would be: Are you confirming the presence of at least one very large mothership under the ice in Antarctica?
David: Okay. We have got a lot of other testimony on this – from Pete Peterson, from Corey Goode, other insiders I've spoken to as well.
You and I have actually never even spoken about that, so it's kind of amazing that you would have heard about this as well.
Emery: You know, it won't be the people. It won't be us exposing this. It's going to be Earth that exposes it because of the warmth.
They can't fight the heat right now. And since they can't fight the heat, it's going to be really hard to explain when some of the snow melts in the next year, and this giant thing starts being exposed and different metals.
Emery: So Gaia will be Disclosure. Earth will be the one who discloses it, which is beautiful.
David: Well, we're going to help Gaia.
Emery: Yeah, we're going to help Gaia.
David: Gaia's going to help Gaia.
David: Ha, ha.
Emery: But you get what I'm getting at. Isn't that beautiful?
David: That is amazing! All right. Well, I didn't want to leave it on that cliff hanger. We'll be back next time. “Cosmic Disclosure.” I'm your host, David Wilcock, here with Emery Smith. Thanks for watching.