Season 9, Episode 12
Emery Smith: You're welcome, Dave. Thanks for having me.
David: One of the things that we have talked about on Cosmic Disclosure greatly is this idea of a Secret Space Program. We haven't really covered that yet.
Now, you have confirmed the existence of reverse-engineered craft, so one would conclude, or one would be thinking to conclude, that if we have craft that are essentially space-faring vehicles that came here from other solar systems, or maybe even other galaxies, and we can build those, that we would then be able to leave Earth and potentially settle somewhere else.
So do you have any direct briefings or knowledge about that aspect of what may be going on?
Emery: Well, there is [are] laws out there, and there is a type of federation involved, from what I was briefed on.
And it's not a “you can just go . . .” Just like you can't just go from here to Europe without a passport, and a couple of weapons, by the way. So this is also applied to intergalactic travel.
So, yes, we do have the ability to “take ET home”.
David: As Ben Rich says.
Emery: As Ben Rich said. But the ability to actually do it is another story until we start behaving a little bit more proper here on the planet Earth and with evolving our consciousness and stop killing each other, which they all understand – extraterrestrials – because they were here, at one time, themselves.
So getting back to your question, yes, we have these craft. Yes, they are anti-gravity, and they can travel through space, but they're not interdimensional yet, that I'm aware of . . .
Emery: . . . so I've not been briefed on that. I know of people [who] say they do have this, but I'm not aware of it – of the craft.
So they're just using special propulsion units and other means to create a gravitational force for these devices.
A lot of the military devices we have out there, I mean, such as planes and helicopters, those are already installed in these special jet fighter craft.
So what's the best way to hide something is don't change the . . . because it doesn't matter what shape it's in. But that could be an actual spacecraft.
David: One of the things that Pete Peterson has shared with me is that there are a lot of new crafts that we've seen in various movies, like “Avatar”, like “Edge of Tomorrow”, in which they have turbo fans on them, which sometimes move. And he said that our Naval ships have all been loaded with these covertly at this time, and that eventually, once they roll out anti-gravity, that the jet engines or the propellers will be replaced with anti-gravity engines.
I'm curious if you've heard anything like that.
Emery: No, I haven't. I have seen different types of schematics for newer craft and ships and for the Navy and Air Force, and whatnot, that do show more of an anti-grav type situation, but not manipulating the current force, because I believe they already have these ready to go. They're just kind of sitting somewhere. And they already have it.
It's just I don't know where it's at, or who did it.
David: Okay. Another aspect . . . which it's a real shame that we couldn't get you on camera with William Tompkins – he's now deceased – but you have said to me that you have some insider friends who are around Tompkins' age, or maybe a little younger, who might be willing to come forward.
So do you think that maybe with you coming out on this program that this will help to set a trend where some others will now be able to come forward as well?
Emery: Absolutely. I mean, that's why one of the main reasons was to come out was to basically help other people and inspire them to come out and talk and feel free to talk about some of the things they did with the projects, anything from energy to the extraterrestrials to medicine to all these fantasmical, amazing devices and things.
I think by being here, I'm hoping to inspire them, after they see this, to come forward. And I'm going to personally ask them myself to please come forward, or at least invite them to entertain it, or even have a private meeting with you and other people, if they don't want to show their face.
David: Well, and as you've seen, once . . . because I've interviewed so many insiders, once we start talking, all these things pop up.
David: And I might have heard something 15 years ago that I'll remember when somebody else tells me the same thing, or something very similar.
Emery: Correct. Right.
And that's what's so interesting, is to know that you worked on a project for so long and had no idea that this person also was working on a similar project halfway around the world.
Emery: And you can actually exchange information finally, freely, without being scared to do so. And just like some of the stuff I explained to you, you already knew some of this stuff.
Emery: And you knew I had . . . We've never even talked about it.
Emery: So for me, it's even a great confirmation, for me, to know that there's others out there that have spoken to you about these amazing technologies and places, especially the places, which blow me away.
David: Like the fact that Ecuador and Antarctica have very similar stuff.
David: Yeah, and I've never said that to anyone . . .
David: . . . and we just had it happen on camera.
I'm curious about whether you, through briefings or through maybe some of the insiders that you personally know, not including the people we've interviewed on Cosmic, are you aware of there being outposts on the Moon or Mars that we use with these back-engineered craft that we have?
Emery: You know, Dave, I've seen and heard a lot, but I don't have firsthand experience to say I was definitely in that spot.
Emery: I may have been and not known it. But yes, I concur there's something going on there, and that there is some sort of a base set up there, of course, because that goes back to the other stuff I used to work with, with the portals and the other things, that you and I discussed.
Because you never know where you might be, but I did hear many of these stories that you have. But I was never on a briefing, by the way, that specifically said, “We have a base here or a base there.”
I've just read a lot of classified documents from other people like me that were involved with that, so it was secondhand information.
David: If you have heard secondhand information, I'm hoping we can get a little more specific, because more than one insider – I think maybe five different insiders – have told me – and this would include Corey Goode as just one of them, and there were others well before I ever started to talk to him about this stuff – saying that, in fact, the majority of the solid planets and the solid moons in our Solar System have at least some degree of outposts on them now . . .
David: . . . that we can use.
David: So have you heard scuttlebutt like that?
David: Okay. Could you be a little more specific?
Emery: Well, when you say “outpost”, it means a place to get to and go to. And it's usually not on the surface of that planet, so you know.
Emery: It's on the inside of the planet, and they're using some sort of portal technology and craft to get back and forth from these places, when it is safe to.
David: So some of the rumors that you've heard, like, for example, let's talk about Mars. Have you heard rumors of there being, perhaps, in some cases, very large bases that might even have 200,000 people working at them on Mars?
Emery: Yes, I have heard that.
Emery: Yes, I've definitely heard that. And it's kind of a known thing. It's kind of actually a joke in the underground.
David: What would be funny about it?
Emery: Well, you just never . . . Like we were talking about earlier, when you're on a conveyor belt going somewhere, going through energy systems, and then you wind up underground somewhere, and it feels different, like even the atmosphere feels different, what's not to say that they're using these things, and people don't know that they're actually on Mars working there?
David: Well, that's what you and I started to talk about . . .
David: . . . after we had described your travel through Sandia into this base where you did the autopsy. I started scratching my head after we did that interview, because you hadn't told me that part before.
David: But others had described the exact same hall as being a portal, and that when you start at the beginning, you're in one place, and at the end, you're in another.
And then I'm thinking, why would they waste 10 or 15 minutes of your shift having you sit on a gondola?
Emery: Right. Yeah.
David: Because they have fast sub-shuttles, right?
Emery: Oh, my goodness, yeah. They have the maglev tubes and the trains and stuff like that.
Emery: But this is a little different. This is like what we talked about.
Yeah, I don't know, but you did open me up to a lot of other questions now that you said that, . . .
Emery: . . . because many other people have also expressed – that worked on these projects – that they felt different from where they THOUGHT they were. And now it makes a little bit more sense.
I never was thinking that, because I was so young at the time and wasn't as educated as I am now about all the stuff they DID have at that time.
David: Well, part of what occurs to me is that if you are potentially, as you said in previous episodes, autopsying potentially multiple bodies in one day, and they're all different. And we're going to get a lot more into that, and how they're different, and what they look like, in future episodes, because you're one of these insiders who's got a very complex testimony that's not going to be done in one or two half-hour episodes at all.
So if we are looking at all of these bodies – you yourself had 3,000 – how many other rooms do you think there were in this Sandia base, where other guys like you were doing the same thing you were doing? Could you speculate perhaps?
Emery: It would have to be, if I look at the levels, five, seven and eight were the levels that were medical for this type of thing.
Emery: And each one of them had over 300 of these operating rooms.
David: So you're looking at over 1,000 operating rooms just in this one base alone?
Emery: I believe so, yeah.
David: Wow! And so that would imply that if you . . . And over how many years did you see 3,000 bodies on the job?
Emery: Oh, my goodness, that was from August of '92 to '95 of June, so probably three years.
David: Basically three years.
Emery: Three years, yeah.
David: So that's like basically 1,000 bodies a year.
Emery: Well, it's tissue samples, not all bodies, remember?
David: Okay. But just to stick with that number for a minute, we could then say that one base alone, and that would be providing it's only one base, which it obviously is not . . .
David: . . . that they could be processing over a quarter million different extraterrestrial species on autopsies per year.
Emery: Well, if you did the math, and you were counting each sample as one species, yes. But it could be many samples from one species for a whole wing of 50-unit rooms.
David: Right. It could be a bunch of guys like you doing it.
Emery: But yes, if it was per species, it would be that many.
David: So to extrapolate, if NASA is now saying 40 billion watery, Earth-like planets just in our Milky Way galaxy alone . . . and they kind of slipped that under the radar. I mean, most people haven't even realized that that came out.
And we've had other insiders tell us that that was part of a treaty with benevolent ETs, forcing our guys to start leaking things like that, to make it easier for Disclosure to happen.
But if there's 40 billion Earths in our galaxy alone, and life seems to be very abundant, and intelligent life seems to be written into the background of quantum mechanics itself . . .
David: . . . then even a quarter million bodies, a quarter million species, is not that many . . .
Emery: No, it's not.
David: . . . compared to what could be out there.
Emery: That's nothing. And when I told you the 3,000 number, everyone always gets a little surprised, but when you think about, as you just said it, it's a very small number.
David: But what . . . Okay, if we peeled back the curtain here, Emery, and we do a little imaginative speculation, doesn't it appear that your job, and what you personally dealt with, could be the byproduct of exactly the sort of Secret Space Program that we're talking about, where part of the testimony was that there's no money, but that you get paid in trade?
And do you think possibly that those bodies were payments that we were receiving from other groups in exchange for apparently, all this high tech that we're making?
Emery: It's a possibility, yes. And I also have to reiterate, out of the 3,000, over 3,000, samples, I call them, don't forget some of those could have been lab grown. Those could have been just hybrid things they made here.
Emery: So I can't speculate they were all extraterrestrial. I mean, I know a lot of them were of un-Earth origin, but so . . . Yeah, they could be absolutely from some sort of a trade, inside trade thing, going on, to get technology and to learn other things.
David: And the nature of compartmentalization, right, you're not allowed to ask any questions. You're just going in there, doing your job . . .
Emery: That's right.
David: . . . handling this very exotic stuff.
David: What was it like when you'd come home at night having autopsied something very bizarre-looking, let's say?
Emery: It was fascinating.
David: What would you feel when you're lying in bed at night? Were you able to go to sleep, or would you . .
David: . . . sometimes just be . . .
Emery: No, I was fascinated. I'm always intrigued. I was always intrigued about the human body. So for me, it was just a fascinating thing. I wanted more. I was upset that I would have to go and work in a hospital every couple of hours.
So it was really neat to see all this stuff and then go home and say, “Wow! What else is out there?”
And that inspired me to do more things and take more opportunities with the military and other industrial complexes.
And that just opened up so many things, because I had so many answers, like everyone else did. I want to know what's going on.
And I can't believe . . . I don't believe anything I read, see or hear. I can't, because I know that it can all be so modified, especially with the new 3D programs they have on the satellites now.
I mean, they could put another David Wilcock right here and reflect light and cast a shadow and have light glistening out of your eyes. And you couldn't tell the difference.
So at this time . . . of course, with photoshopping and everything else, it's very hard for me.
So I decided, at a very young age, I'm going to go out, and I'm going to find out for myself.
And I was doing this strictly just to find out for myself what is going on. And all's it did was open up 100 million other questions.
Every time you find something else out, it opens up more questions, which is great, because it inspires me to go ahead and keep moving forward, especially if there's opportunities there where people want me to be part of amazing projects.
I'm very thankful of all my opportunities I had. They were not too negative.
So I think, if that would answer your question of why I did that.
David: Corey Goode has also shared with us that there were factions in the Secret Space Program, and one of them was called the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate, or ICC.
And, apparently, they are offshoots of the defense contractors who are manufacturing very advanced technology.
And, apparently, we, humans, have become a go-to-place for many different species to buy advanced technology, like craft.
And he also said that he found out that we apparently are in regular trade relations with some 900 different extraterrestrial civilizations just through the ICC.
So I'm curious if you ever heard back chatter, scuttlebutt, anything like that?
Emery: No. I'm unaware of that, and I've never heard that before.
David: But it's so compartmentalized, right? That's the problem.
Emery: Yeah, I would not know. It's really hard. You're never alone, and you're always monitored. Like I told you, you always have the bracelet on. It's such high security.
I mean, there's hallways there that will cut you in half if you are in the wrong place, without asking questions.
So it's a very simple job if you just follow the dots. Ha, ha. But if you don't, you've got to be careful.
So I didn't really go around asking questions, because I was too excited about getting more security clearances and moving up the ladder to get more jobs in different places other than dissecting tissues.
Emery: And it did. It brought me to the crafts. It brought me to other things.
David: Okay. One of the things that you told me about that I think would be a good point for us to get into . . . I was asking you about the folder, which is this thing that . . . They called it a folder, maybe to reduce psychological impact, but it's basically like an iPad with a little bit flexible . . . and almost totally clear.
David: And you also said that the folder could be loaded. It would tell you what wing, what room, and what being you were going to be working on. They would only give you one at a time.
David: So did the folder have any type of hard drive or storage mechanism?
Emery: Yes, it did.
Emery: I'm surprised you mention that, but, yeah. It's called a micro disk.
David: A micro disk.
Emery: Yeah, it's a little bit smaller than a quarter, but larger than a nickel. It's gold-plated, made of some sort of iridium gold, and there's a little, teeny slot for that.
And it records everything that you're doing.
Emery: And it also connects to the construct of the base, of the underground ba . . . - what construct is there, like, mainframe.
So that little thing is then taken from you and put on a shuttle, and they store it in space – all the disks.
David: So I would imagine that if you had your folder in the early 1990s, when we're back with the whiny, loud, desktop tower computers, that we're dealing with something a lot more advanced than even what we have now.
Emery: Oh, this is far more advanced than anything that you guys have today, right now. I mean, we're talking high resolution video pictures and millions of documents of information, you know, all on this little small, very, very thin disk.
David: So do you think these disks might have like thousands of terabytes of storage or maybe even more?
Emery: Yes, I would concur to that.
David: So what was the protocol? Did you have to remove the micro disk from the folder and hand it to someone? Or did you just hand your folder in at the end of the day?
Emery: No, yeah, the folders, number one, when you put them in and slide them into this thing, the disk comes out. But you can take that disk out, just like you do today with SD cards or cards for your camera.
Emery: You can easily take it in and out, which sometimes you had to, because you had to review another, . . . someone else's project.
Emery: So that's why that was there, so instead of it being automatically downloaded, . . . They didn't like information going [over] a wire, so they use these disks for that.
David: Where on the folder would you insert . . .
Emery: Top right corner.
David: Top right corner. Interesting.
David: So I guess you could see it then, because it's . . . You said it's a gold color.
Emery: Yeah, you could see it inside. And it has like an iridium tint to it.
I always wondered if they did that to protect it from the radiation of space, since it was stored in space, they said.
David: Was there any way to access the information on the disk other than the folder?
Emery: Yes, there is one way.
David: Hmm. Is there some kind of reader or something?
Emery: There is a disk reader, yes.
David: Really? And I guess the reason why they haven't given us that kind of storage technology would be what? Why don't we have that level of data storage if the technology exists? Why would it not be shared with the public?
Emery: Because then you won't go out and buy a 256K phone.
David: Ha, ha, right. It's just too far advanced from where we are now.
Emery: They won't make any money, these corporations. Come on.
Emery: I mean, we have to start really, really small for these corporations. They already have it, but we're not going to get it right today.
David: It seems like . . . If you see the movie “Snowden”, allegedly, he was able to get one of these little USB sticks inside a Rubik's cube, . . .
. . . and then he tossed it to the guy, and he went through the gate.
David: Do you think anybody has ever tried to get a mini disk out of the base?
David: How might that be done?
Emery: It's tricky, but can be done, yeah.
David: Okay, you don't want to go into that.
Emery: Well, I had a few of the disks, yes.
David: You did?
Emery: Micro disk, yeah.
David: How might somebody be able to do that?
Emery: Well, I'd rather not say that part.
David: Okay. Okay.
Emery: Ha, ha, ha.
David: Ha, ha, ha.
Emery: But I have acquired a few of those disks, yes.
David: And when your house was broken into, were those some of the things that were taken?
Emery: Yes, they took the disks.
David: Really? So you did have them . . .
David: . . . but you lost them?
David: Yeah, that was very, very unfortunate.
Emery: It was very unfortunate – very angry about it and upset.
David: Could you tell us a little bit about what happened to your house, and where you had stored those disks, and how were they found?
Emery: Oh, sure. So I had a small home in New Mexico that was gated with an iron gate and concrete post and a keypad, the whole thing. A very small, small home that I temporarily got just to store some small belongings and stuff, because I was working on a project out in southeastern New Mexico, and I was there for about a year, nine months. I had this place.
So what I did was: I, of course, . . . I don't keep all my stuff in the same spot . . .
Emery: . . . and I keep some duplicates, but there's no duplicates to this. I can duplicate some things, but a lot of just information on hard drives, and whatnot.
And I got a call, because I was going to be moving to Los Angeles to be with you and work on some other projects.
Emery: So I told the realtor, “Hey, I'm going to be moving.” So they put it up for sale, and I was just leasing the place at the time.
And I had basically hidden all my stuff inside the walls of the house, and you couldn't tell where they were – also in the concrete and other various places. I don't want to talk about other specific places, because I still use those techniques.
But I thought it was safe temporarily for this.
I also had the overunity device there, which, fortunately, I went to go pick up. And it was within a week that the house was ransacked. And another week later, it was ransacked.
And that's when the realtor called me and says, “Oh, my goodness. I looked through your window. You left your house such a mess. How am I supposed to show anybody?”
And I said, “My house is perfectly spotless. I don't understand.” And I said, “Please, go around the house and look around.”
And he did, and he found the back garage door was broken into. And then the double bolted locked door to the main home was kicked in with a big footprint. And we have all the pictures.
David: Let's roll right now the film that you took.
[Emery's comments on the video clip of the break-in to his house:]
“This is the garage – complete destruction. Took all the equipment. The lab has been completely destroyed.”
David: So why do you think whoever did this would take everything you've got and leave only your military badges in a box and a bullet on the countertop? What was the message?
Emery: Oh, I think they were just some old friends trying to look me up to have a good time. Ha, ha.
So I think it really had to do with the device, number one, because ever since I started the lab with the device, it's been getting . . . it's been getting really crazy.
And now that I proved the device worked, then it got really crazy.
And, of course, they used a satellite and found out all the stuff underground and in the walls.
Emery: And they did cut the walls open and take all those hard drives and everything else.
We're talking about 8 computers, 12 laptops, 40 hard drives, over 300 SD cards, lots of information – my world's . . . my whole 30 years of work.
David: What's the purple tip?
Emery: Oh, oh, it's just the type of bullet it is, yeah. It's a very high velocity bullet.
Emery: It's not normally a civilian bullet that you can buy from civilians.
Emery: And it was a 5x7x28 armor-piercing ammunition, which is used by tactical forces all around the world.
David: What could you say to other insiders who would hear a story like that and say, “Well, my god, if they start doing that to me, the first thing I'd do is go into hiding, and I wouldn't speak?”
Emery: Well, let's talk about it, because I wasn't going, at that point. I wasn't.
So I think the information, too, that I had was . . . I couldn't see . . . I couldn't really see the information that I had, . . . like 90% of it was pretty much just already out there stuff.
Emery: So I think it was just that 10% AND the device that, “Hey, just why don't you slow up a little bit, because you're going on a trajectory here that looks like you're going to say something that you shouldn't say.”
David: Right. So they were trying to threaten you.
David: Do you think that anybody who comes forward is safer than if they don't, if they're already starting to speak a little bit? Is it safer to be public?
Emery: Yes. At a certain point, you have to go public. It's very . . . It's much safer. We all know this, and this is one of the main reasons I'm here in front of you right now.
David: Right. All right. Well, there you have it. This is Emery Smith, and I'm David Wilcock, “Cosmic Disclosure”. And I want to thank you for watching.